5x4 roll-film?

Discussion in 'Large Format' started by alan_gibson, Mar 19, 1999.

  1. I've just bought a new toy: a 5x4 SLR, for those times when a Nikon F just isn't heavy enough. It got me thinking: is 5x4 roll film available? It would be 4 or 5 inches wide, and a ten-exposure length would be shorter than 36 exposures of 35mm. Has anyone made such a film back? Is film readily available in this width? Or, like most of my brilliant ideas, has this been tried before and totally flopped? Keeping the film flat in the gate would be a problem, the curl would be horrible.

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    Of course, if the idea works, then a motor-drive 5x4 becomes feaasible...
     
  2. Where did you find a camera like this? I have heard of a 4x5 SLR
    before but thought it was just a fanciful idea.
     
  3. I don't know what Alan has, Brian, but the original Graflex, the one
    Steiglitz, et. al. used, was an SLR with a rear curtain shutter and
    the aperture in the lens.
     
  4. I think I saw some 5 inch roll-stock on Ebay some time back, what we
    need is a little help from some aerial photogs. Alan did you salvage
    this from a downed spy plane? You need to put a bug in Cabal's ear at
    nasa. Any forum followers work at Lockheed's skunkworks? You know
    this could be dangerous Alan.hehehe
     
  5. The camera is about 100 years old (I guess) and was built by Marion &
    Co, London (England). I got it from Christies, a London auction
    house. It seems to have started life as a whole-plate SLR, and was at
    some time converted to 5x4. The shutter-release retracts the mirror
    (very well dampened) and fires the focal-plane shutter, which takes
    about 1/15s to traverse the plane, and has adjustable slit width with
    speeds up to 1/800s (it claims). A later modification has provided a
    flash terminal. 10.5 inch f/4.5 Taylor Taylor & Hobson lens, rack &
    pinion focusing. Masses of teak and brass. It weighs about 4 kg. With
    luck, I'll try it out this weekend.

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    Back to the topic, I'm sure I read somewhere about 5x4 roll film?
     
  6. Trib and I crossed posts. Yes, I think you are right, aerial
    photography probably was where I saw the reference to this film.
    Thanks.
     
  7. Once during an obscure web search I came across a listing for someone
    who is indeed spooling film for such sizes as 616, which was the
    postcard format, 4 x 6 or thereabouts. Sorry I have lost the
    reference, but he is out there somewhere. there is indeed aerial film
    available -- we used to use 7" and 9", but I think there are other
    widths available too. Not sure what your choice of emulsions will be.
     
  8. Use you favorite search engine and type in "Film for Classics"
     
  9. Film for classics

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    http://www.frontiernet.net/~joankay/
     
  10. 5" film (actually 4.96")is available, at least from the yellow box
    co. Its a standard size for aerial film. Quite a number of fine
    grain B&W emulsions available, but I don't know about color.
    Designations will all be, I believe, SO-XYZ (X,Y,Z are digits) The SO
    stands for special order. However, I expect it may only be available
    in 100' or 200' rolls. At least it'll keep you going a while! Good
    luck.
     
  11. All right Alan. Finally going to shoot a real format huh?
     
  12. All: thanks a lot. As the film is available, it's not such a stupid idea. I'll give Kodak a ring, and see if it is a standard product in the UK. And if people use it here, someone must be able to process it.
    James: well, the SLR camera is larger and heavier than my 10x8, but roll film opens up the possibility of a rotating slit panoramic camera, with a negative size of, say, 5" x 50". Now, that would be a real negative! And probably easier for a klutz like me to build than a similar camera with 35mm. But could I afford the film?
     
  13. Long, long ago I spoke with a man in Kodak about 5" film but his name
    excapes me. He told me that they have b&w and color emulsions. He
    was at the professional imaging section of Kodak, I think. Linhof
    made a Rolex back for 4X5 that would take tis film and motor it
    through any 4X5 camera, but it is long out of production, massive (67
    lbs.) and hard to find on the market.
     
  14. Kodak make a panotomic-x aero film aeril E.I. 40 with extended red
    sensitivity. You can get it in 1000 foot rolls, the thickness if I
    remember right is 2.5 thousands. I cut my on 4x5 from this and
    develope in a Pyro-staining formula (not PMK) and I love the results,
    since I don't shoot rodeo's and football games I don't worry about the
    speed, the negs print faster because of the thinness of the film. It
    is 5" wide and 1000' long and will equal 3000 4x5 (2500) with waste in
    cutting. It is still listed in Kodak's black and white materials
    catalog.
     
  15. I really wonder where people get so many incorrect impressions about
    Linhof and then so easily pass them on as truth!

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    For several decades Linhof has made aerial cameras (We sold NASA
    several 45 Linhof Aero Technikas for the Space Shuttle and shots from
    this camera are on NASA's web site.) and, in the publicity for the
    Photo Pro show in DC this month there is a photo of an Astronaut using
    one on the shuttle.

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    Linhof currently makes 2 aerial cameras. The Aero Technika with either
    a 4x5" 5" roll back motor driven (1 FPS) and with a vacuum pressure
    plate. This back takes standard NATO spools of 5" 50' film available
    from the aerial division of all major film manufacturers in a
    selection of B&W and color stock an standard or estar base film.

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    It also can take a 50' 70mm roll back that is also motorized as well
    as standard 45 holders or any back that fits an Internatinal Back
    camera.

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    The 50' 5" and 70mm backs are easily adapted to Linhof Master Technika
    cameras (we sold some to Chicago Albuman Works and to the National
    Archives in DC who both use tem for making 45 copy negs.)

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    The other Linhof aerial camera is the Aerotronica shooting 100' 70mm
    film on a 69 cm format at up to 2FPS. Tis camera only accepts this
    back and has a Linhof rotary high speed shutter with speeds to 1/1500.

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    A 3rd camera, the Linhof Metrika, for close range photogrammatry, is
    the camera used to do the detailed measurements of the 5000 year old
    Ice Man found in the mountains between Italy and Austria a few years
    ago. This camera also has a 5" Linhof motorized back but this version
    can't fit another 45.

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    So any previous answers alluding t the long discontinued Linhof backs
     
  16. Bob, thanks for the great info, as always!! Respectfully, could I be
    so bold as to inquire to the cost of the 5" and 70mm backs that are
    compatible with std. 4x5 cameras? I know the answer probably is "if
    you have to ask, you can't afford it." But I just gotta know!
     
  17. Since you asked:

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    001559 50' 5" vacuum roll back $15,426.00
    001553 50' 70mm roll back $14,779.00

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    These backs run on 24V DC

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    The 24V rechargeable pack with charger will add about $2,000.00 more
    and there is about a $200.00 charge to make a slight modification to
    the backs so the film can advance when used on a Technika.
     
  18. Bob: I'll take one of each! HarHarHar.
     

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