jv1 Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 Hello there, I'm looking to pick up a manual Nikkor 28mm f/2.8 lens (not f/3.5 or f/2). I'm not sure which version to pick however... Information on the net is not always straightforward. I believe there are three versions... AI, AI-s and Series E (excluding the non-AI ones, I don't want these). I need this lens to travel light - I have an 18-35 which I really like, but it's heavy and I worry too much about it's build quality - normally I don't care, but backpacking in Asia looks to be something different. I'd prefer a solid, light lens. I heard the best things about the AI-s. Question: how can I recognise one, and tell it apart from the AI (is there even a 28mm AI?)? If the '22' is orange, it's an AI-s? And what about the quality of the Series E type? Generally I've been surprised by the optics of Series E (I have a 100mm, and 75-150mm), much better then they're made out to be. Sorry for all the questions. Thanks in advance! ps. What does 'ADR' mean? I come across this quite often on websites describing lenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbowman Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 You may want to take a look at Bjørn Rørslett's site of lens tests at <a href="http:// www.naturfotograf.com/lens_wide.html">www.naturfotograf.com</a>. His tests indicate the 28mm f2.8 with the .2m close focus is excellent. I have the .3m close focus version of this lens and, much like him, describe it as just OK but certainly not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoni_perlmutter Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 I use the AIS 28/2.8 quite a bit. It's a wonderful lens - really top notch. Buying new you might want to look into B&H/Adorama in NYC, or over the i'net. Used - check out KEH. When I purchase in Europe, it's almost always from Robert White (UK). I assume the AI and AIS 28/2.8 performance is similar, if not identical. But if it's an AIS you want, any of the retailers listed [above] will have that lens correctly labelled. I know that the 28/2 is considered to be an excellent lens. A used one KEH is probably what you should be looking for if this is what interests you. The 28/1.4 is also highly rated but it is very expensive and I think you really have to have a need for this lens in order to justify its price - even for an amateur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbq Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 The 28/2.8 AIS (8/8 CRC) is certainly very highly regarded. You can recognize it with its AIS lens mount (there's an extra groove that doesn't exist on AI lenses). ADR means Aperture Direct Readout, it's the second set of small aperture numbers on the aperture ring that can be seen directly in many nikon MF viewfinders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bambang indrayoto Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 I love the AIS version coupled with my FM2n. My favorite setup.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce_rubenstein Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 The AIS version is optically different, and better, than the AI, Series E, AF and AF-D lenses. Not everyone, buyers and sellers, sometimes mis-identify AI & AIS lenses. The AIS versions of the lens have serial numbers in the following range: 638657 - 835686. Roland's table of lens serial numbers is priceless for identifying lenses (http://www.photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/serialno.html#28) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_Lai Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 Besides the orange minimum aperture number, AIS lenses have a concave slot milled out of the lens mount. That's the most sure way to identify an AIS lens in my opinion. There are other differences too: AIS lenses have fewer lens mounting screws, and their "throw" is less than AI in focusing. That is, it takes far more angular rotation of the focusing ring to go from minimum focus distance to infinity with an AI lens than with an AIS lens. This may be preferable, as it allows for slower but more precise focusing. For a lens such as the 24 f/2.8, which has had the same optical formula for decades, I prefer the AI version.<p>However, the AIS 28 f/2.8 has a different optical formulation than its predecessors, and it has CRC floating elements which give it such stellar close-up performance. You want the 28 f/2.8 AIS, and not any of the other f/2.8 variants.<p>ADR refers to a series of small aperture numbers behind the main aperture numbers on the aperture ring. It stands for "Aperture Direct Readout". On cameras such as the F3, a little lens - periscope system allows you to read the aperture off the ADR scale, and see it in the viewfinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterh Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 I do not want to sound impertinent but the 28mmF2.0 AIS ist better in any respect in my opinion. Just in case price or availability may not be important ^^ In respect to the F2.8 lens you got excellent advice already. Cheers Walter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audun_sjoeseth1 Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 Robert: Great info about the Nikkor AI 24/2.8! I'll get this lens in a week. I'll use it on my Nikon F2 and my Canon 20D (with adapter) :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles_miller Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 I agree with Walter because most of the reviewers prefer a 28mm f2.0 AI or AIS lens over the 28mm f2.8 AIS version. This preference is especially for improved sharpness in the corners near infinity focus. But the f2.0 model has noticable barrel distortion whereas the AIS f2.8 model has almost none. Not that a little barrel distortion is any more of deal killer than softness in the corners near infinity. But be sure to read Bjorn's review ot these lenses before you commit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_blagbrough Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 Try this website http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/28mmnikkor/28mmf28.htm It is part of the 'photogrpahy in malaysia' site, an encellent source for nikon info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_crown2 Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 Jonas Most of the above posts have answered your queries regarding the ADR etc. I own an AIS 28mm 2.8. It is a superb lens IMHO. On 35mm I do not get any really adverse ghosting if the sun is in the frame. I think that Bjorn Rorslett tests his on a digital camera and not a 35mm and reports some problems on digital in this respect. Bjorn still rates this lens alongside the 28mm f2 AIS in his 'best of the best' compilation on his really excellent website. Build quality is high and it's small but tough weighing in at 250g. It's very very sharp indeed. Test reports I've seen show that it is one of the best 28mm lenses ever. Distortion is very well controlled and colour is great. To be honest, I think you'd be happy with either the F2.8 or the F2 - the latter is widely respected too. It depends on your budget and perhaps if you can live with the focussing issues of a 2.8 lens. The Series E lens (28mm 2.8) got really good reviews in Amateur Photographer magazine in 1980 I recall - though it was felt to be a bit soft wide open. I think it got very goods for overall performance, definition and contrast but good for optical balance because of the wide open performance. The 28mm 2.8 AIS is definately not soft wide open!! The only weak Series E that I can think of is the 35mm 2.5. The 50mm 1.8, 100mm 2.8 and 75-150mm 3.5 both have good reputations. Check out the sample you buy and return it if you can if performance is not up to your expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerry_grim Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 I have the Nikon 28 f2.8 AI-S lens. I am in the process of switching to Nikon's competitor for reasons I will not go into. However, I will keep some Nikon equipment and this lens is on the top of the list of equipment I will keep. It is a gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkka_nissila Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 Kerry, which competitor are you "switching to"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyinca Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 Here is a picture of the 28mm/2.8 AIS. Beside .2m marking there are also (see red arrow). ADR="Aperture Direct Readout" It allows you read aperture in view finder. See smaller set of f number near the edge of the mount<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photojim Posted September 8, 2005 Share Posted September 8, 2005 Shhh... don't tell anyone... but the AF 28/2.8D, although autofocus, handles well manually and is very very sharp, and weighs very little. Shh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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