1DMkIIN shutter

Discussion in 'Canon EOS' started by derek_simpson, Apr 5, 2015.

  1. Shutter blew duing a match yesterday. Anywhere in the world that can supply a spare ? Or a workshop that can make the best of two variously handicapped/malfunstioning bodies. I can get spares for my old discontinued car - why not my much loved pro cameras ?
     
  2. In my experience with both cars and cameras, it was relatively simple to substitute 'spare' mechanical parts when everything was mechanical..
    With so much on integrated circuits on both kinds of machines, it seems to be impossible to do more than just to replace some massive combination of electronic parts (several billion transistors and other electronic components in an area the size of a fingernail) -- rather than a simple cog or some such.
    Shade-tree mechanics are in the same boat as farriers.
    If your shutter failure is actually mechanical, maybe a new shutter box can be switched in, but if the failure is in the circuitry .....
     
  3. I assume you tried Canon? They can repair some older cameras, but I don't know if the 1D Mkii is one of them.
     
  4. Yep - sent a similar 1DMkIIN to canon UK a few months ago - it worked but unreliably on a burst of exposures - Canon returned with "no parts for this camera available " note. Don't know if it needed parts - it still bumps along and will have to for a few more months with one body down. I just find it a bit high handed of manufacturers not to stand behind very expensive equipment when I'd be happy to pay for the work and the parts. OK for shooters working for top dollar but has anyone noticed there are a lot of us scraping by out here who still need good equipment to do the job.
     
  5. if it 'blew' then it's likely a simple replacement (although perhaps not).
    If so, for ~$160 you can get the replacement part (GC2-1162-000) - a new one on ebay. Of course you'll still likely need somebody to put it in.
    Guess there's still a place for shadetree mechanics in the world ;)
    I'm sort of surprised though that the 1D/1Ds/1D2/1Ds2/1D2n all use the same shutter assembly. I wouldn't have expected that.
     
  6. There's also a place for farriers, if that makes you feel better.
     
  7. Not really, but what does make me feel better is that I don't need to hire either.
    I am perfectly capable of replacing a shutter assembly, repairing a car (any car), or shoeing a horse - not saying I'm nearly as good at it as others, just that I'm capable of doing it. And that? that makes me feel quite good ;)
    I forgot to add into my reply that even though Canon won't (as in, they will refuse to) service it without a part that's currently in their supply chain, doesn't mean a 3rd party camera repair shop won't be able to execute the repair - especially if you can provide them with the replacement part. If you feel uncomfortable about executing the repair yourself, they would certainly be willing to.
    Another thought, Is it possible that the failure/unreliability on the other unit is due to a shutter failure (partial/impending) as well? I've had erratic burst behavior caused by a mechanically failing shutter (though not in 1 series cameras). If canon actually diagnosed the failure (as opposed to taking a look at it, and saying '1D2n?, nope, send it back!) , they (I would think) have told you what the part which they diagnosed as being faulty was.
     
  8. I don't think Canon bothered to diagnose at all - the turnround time was almost by return. My hope had been that a bit of a clean and a shake might do the job but I think it went back in the box on sight. I'll search that part number as I have an old 1DsII getting on in years and in my experience the shutter goes first. Thanks for ideas to date. I don't really think the farrier analogy has legs because these were high-end cameras not very long ago at all. Cheers Derek Simpson
     
  9. You can buy a used one on KEH for less than $500. Maybe buy it for parts?
     
  10. I have offers of used bodies from pros who have reinvested in newer models: trouble as ever is not knowing if they've been thrashed. I'll probably downgrade when I cease to do professional sport in a month or so. My main camera is now a 1DMkII (no N) and it turns out beautiful pictures - my point remains - why can't I keep that old buddy running for another few years with a bit of TLC and PARTS Canon: I have no need of video no need of more pixels
     
  11. Canon UK's policy is that once a model is no longer on their supported list, they will refuse to do anything with it. The stated reason is that if they accidentally broke it further while investigating they'd be unable to make good the damage. This is true even if the camera is already entirely broken.

    The 1DIIN was on their support list until recently - sad to hear it has dropped off. A third party repairer should be able to Frankenstein together a working camera using the shutter from another one. Canon can supply a list of approved repair centres (for all that 'approved' means very much when the body is out of warranty). By the way, I have a 1DII (not N) I might sell (based in London).
     
  12. Discussed this with a top sport photographer (he's won every category in Brit press awards - kind of guy any company would like to be associated with) who swapped entire system to Nikon for the pro service. Point I'm making is these weren't sold as 'disposable cameras'. I'm still hopeful there's somewhere out there a skilled man with access to saved/scrapped parts but the modern world doesn't work like that i fear. iphone users seem positively to want the opportunity to throw their old stuff away and have the latest. I suppose that's the generation making decisions at Canon.
     
  13. LOL Derek, you've got a point! However, while not 'disposable', I would argue that these professional tools have a certain life expectancy in a pro's bag. We all know that these are tools, and, as robust as they are, they will eventually fail, especially when they get used to drive nails every other day. So while you do have a point that a camera a decade old should still be supported (IMO), in practical terms, most working professionals have long since moved on (not necessarily in pursuit of more MP and video, but simply because the old equipment is not reliable any longer), making it very costly for Canon to continue support.
    I did recently see a used shutter on fleabay for ~$60 (sold as-is, but reputedly removed functional), but of course those are few and far between - and carry a significant risk - and unknowable wear even should it work flawlessly, as it's the single most commonly failed (non consumable) component in this system, personally, in your shoes, I'd simply replace the shutter with a new one for ~$2-300 (w/ labor), instead of with a used/recovered one for merely half that.
     
  14. I would certainly like to do that. When I've retired a new shutter ought to see out my days. If only I could find the part. If an earlier reply is correct and a whole range of cameras share one part then it ought not to be too expensive for Canon to provide support - of course if I were Canon inc I'd much prefer everyone to "upgrade" every two years. Had they produced a camera I actually considered an improvement for my purposes I might have been tempted. I still have an EOS3 though and some film in the freezer.
     
  15. Blessings upon Marcus - this is what I have sought fruitlessly - possibly because I by default search ebay UK . I'll certainly look at this further - may buy three . As a side issue I tried a few things in action tonight with the only-just-usable MkIIN - it has operated almost 100% of its time in AP mode so on a hunch I tried it on TP - much improved reaction time and burst firing - I pass it on FWIW - no real idea why that should be the case other than shocking the ghost in the machine out of its lethargy. Thanks again.
     
  16. Derek, I know I'm late to your posting, but within the last 18 months KEH (USA) repaired my 1d2 (not N) shutter. It froze/fell apart during a soccer match. They sent back with the old shutter blades in the box. I picked up another 1d2 spare also, I like them so much.
    KEH also repaired my 1ds2 within the last year, although it wasnt a shutter issue, was no longer serviced by Canon. I feel your pain on the "end of service" lifes, but I think Canon is on the Autodesk (autocad) and Adobe bandwagon of obsolence and screwing the customer.
    Could you imagine the uproar if (pick any auto manufacturer) said they're not going to service vehicles 2007 year or older....
    Tom
     
  17. Thanks for the back-up WT. America is a bit far away for me but if there were a KEH in Europe it might shake Canon up a bit. I fully appreciate the "it's just a tool - needs replaced" attitude but I saw nothing in the Mk3s or 4s that was progress for me. Canon ought to be pleased so many of us have stuck with the Mk2s - I'd buy another if they re-issued them. Two shutters are on the way from China and I'll either have go myself or find a workshop willing to take on the replacement. Cheers DS
     

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