michael_reichmann3 Posted July 7, 2001 Share Posted July 7, 2001 A check around the Net doesn't turn up too many commentaries on the new 12mm Heliar. Though I've only had the opportunity to take a few rolls with it so far it's a fascinating tool and will definately have a place in my kit. <p> My comments and a couple of sample images can be found at http://www.luminous-landscape.com/12mm.htm <p> Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert_smith Posted July 7, 2001 Share Posted July 7, 2001 Back in November 2000 I mentioned that the December issue of "Shutterbug" had a review of this lens with photos. You can see a short bit of information quoted from that article, and if you have access to a library, you should be able to see the article which has several photos. <p> old thread: <p> http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=004220 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_schank Posted July 7, 2001 Share Posted July 7, 2001 Two other reviews I read said the fall off on the edges was very minimal-less than the 15. You seemed to have a different experience with yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nesrani Posted July 7, 2001 Share Posted July 7, 2001 That's very interesting. I've been wondering about this lens for quite a while now and I may have to take the plunge. <p> I remember when a friend let me look through his 12's viewfinder my first impression was - but this is the way I see stuff anyway. I love taking pictures lying on the ground or from very close up and this is where the Leica lenses are a bit limited with their 70 cm closest focus. <p> Looks like a very good deal - I have yet to hear anyone make a negative comment about this lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark13 Posted July 8, 2001 Share Posted July 8, 2001 I have the 12mm on a Leica CL. It's great. I shy away from the tricks of perspective. Nothing wrong with them but they're not my primary use for the lens. I had the Voigtlander 15mm and thought it was wide. The 12mm is amazing. What I like is that the photos look as though you could walk into them. Sharpness? I haven't done any serious testing but I have no complaints at this time. What you do have to be careful about is keeping the shooting level. Several photos where I thought I was shooting level were slightly off and the strong convergence of what were supposed to be parallel lines was more than I had imagined it would be. <p> Buy one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joel_matherson Posted July 8, 2001 Share Posted July 8, 2001 Hi, I read your impressions of the lens, funny how you couldnt make sharpness judgements on just a couple of rolls but can say its not up to Leica ASPH standards. Hmmmm I can say with some confidence its sharper than any Leica M lens below 20mm! (Basically you cant compare till they do make one!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_reichmann3 Posted July 8, 2001 Author Share Posted July 8, 2001 Joel, <p> If the only criteria for judging a lens was "sharpness" then you'd be correct. But since there are at least a half dozen other important variables I stand by my conclusions (or lack of them). <p> Michael www.luminous-landscape.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joel_matherson Posted July 8, 2001 Share Posted July 8, 2001 My point was, when Leica makes a 12mm M series lens then you will be able to compare and make that judgement, but to say that when they dont isnt a comparison at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert_smith Posted July 9, 2001 Share Posted July 9, 2001 Another on-line review: <p> http://www.apogeephoto.com/dec2000/Voigtlander_ultra.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflesher Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 It appears from the few images I've seen from the 12, that it has quite a bit more apparant fall-off than that of my 15. Not that this isn't to be expected, but as Rob pointed out, I had heard that the 12 was supposed to be better than the 15 in this regard. Has anybody compared both in respects to fall-off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflesher Posted July 10, 2001 Share Posted July 10, 2001 Excuse me, as ANDREW pointed out (!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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