Comments are truly not a substitute for ratings

There is a photo in recent TOP photos with 24 ratings and 6

comments.

 

3 of the authors have the following record.

 

A. -4 comments ever, 3 of these for the photographer of the

image under question and 1 for a photonet aquaintance.

 

B. - 1 comment ever for the photographer of the image under

question.

 

C. 1 comment ever for the photographer of the image under

question.

 

The stink is V ery A wful.

 

Louis

I don't understand your problem. may be you mean the <A href=http://www.photo.net/photo/1771842>this photo</A>

If so, please explain your problem more in a way that "underexposed" people ( like me) can understand. ;-)

If you see no problem. There may not be any.

Louis

This topic is discussed to death.

What's the problem ? I must admit that also I was striving for being on the first page of the top photo's.<P><P>

 

And I succeed twice. I expected about 40 times. And Yes also I found the the higher en more rated photo's were not half as interesting as the work I was presenting on this site.<P><P>

 

But after some time (and heavy internal struggle :) ) I learned to be critical for myself. And the I must admit that only two of my photo's presented here were really worth being on that first page for one or two days. All the rest appeared not bad, but also not good enough. So this "bad" expirience turned out to be very usefull.

 

And why the others ? Well if they have formed self pushing clusters, let it be. I can say, facing the mirror, if it happens again that I am on the first three pages of the "top photos" that it is because of the photo and not because of the friends. <P><P>

 

And by the way, I don't let jalousy spoil my fun of shooting photo's

 

<a href="http://home2.pi.be/ivcolman" target="_blank">my website</a>

Did you check to see which photo is being discussed here? Is it

really better than most of yours? Does it deserve all those

views?

 

What is often missed in the eternal mate rating discussions is

that mate rating is not limited to 6s and 7s. This image is

arguably overrated, but more to the point, it is pretty clear that it is

the person who is getting frequent attention, rather than the

image. There are a number of other photographers who get lots

of rates even though their mages often average below 5.0 and

probably shouldn't rate above a 4.0.

 

By any reasonable objective standards, there are other images -

and photographers - on this site that deserve more of a share of

the visibility.

I reckon that it looks 99.9% that 3 of the commentators are

bogus and I therefore wonder how many of the rates are?

Louis

I think the reason is simple: there's no place to rate a photo when you make a comment, and there's no place to comment on a photo when you rate it, except when you want to do the photos 1 by 1, which is not nearly as interesting as just looking at the top ones for the last 3 days.

 

Anyway, until they categorize them into "top landscapes" or "top portraits" and "top photo art/photoshop work" there will be a lot of disagreement. Also, regarding rating, you must remember that these are <b><i>other photographers</i></b> who are rating, and their view will be drastically different than your family, friends, etc, because the <i>other photographer's</i> opinion is based on a knowledge of technique and having seen a lot of photos to base an informed opinion on, not just the normal "oooh, pretty picture" that the general public gives.

Carl,

 

I hope You still see this answer. I must admit that is very hard for me to see more photographic value in the photo under discussion than in mine portfolio. But these overrated photo's is a thing where I learned to live with.

 

And not only self rating of cluster formation is a magic tool, also putting a nude on a photo seems to be the guarantee for extreme overratings.

 

As I said I learned to live with it. But may I do a suggestion ? Why are those who find such photo's overrated, not adding his / her own appreaciation to this photo's. Seen the long discussions here, it seems to me that rating abuse is not to avoid on photo.net. So I suggest that everybody that agrees that a photo is overrated, put his or her rating also on that photo. Probably the ranking on number of ratings will be skewed then, however the quality of the rating will be more realistic.

Must you perpetuate a witch hunt to compensate for some deficiency in your life? I'll be very concise here. I don't appreciate your comment on my "FAR MEADOW" photograph in my "Wyoming Impressions" folder. You can take your psychological payload and dump it on your own work. Stay away from mine. Oh, and have a nice day.

Walter-this is away from your folder but if you want comment

here fair enough. It looks as if the sky is unreal/out of place, it

looks different in its contrast to the rest of the scene. If it was a

composite I was going to say it doesn't work. I have no problem

with composites, you do-obviously. Such excitement.

 

DAVID

You can rate and comment by genre if you use the critique

screens accessible from the main Gallery screen. The genre is

not used by PN again but maybe in the future who knows. In a

current post Brian said the comments you mention about

rating/commenting are on his list of things to tackle. Patience

and I reckon it will improve to the best.

 

IVAN

If someone is in a mate rating ring, the last thing is to give more

rates, as that pushes them up the ladder (which with their mates

and bogus accounts etc) is what they seek.

 

PETER

What about a gallery to which we could nominate one image per

week (or per month) as the image we most want others to see.

 

The idea being to draw others attention to (unknown) images.

 

 

Critically this would be:

 

 

Subscribers only. 1 image/month. Not current posts ie older

images posted 1 or 2+ months ago.

 

 

This could be a forum for excellence and a members version of

POW. I would like to be able to give an image my vote as my

image for the month. I reckon I would find it difficult to pick one a

month but I would enjoy the process and saying why I had picked

it. No-one else might be interested in my choice or comment but

collectively I reckon it would be FUN. At present you can see my

top rated choices but over time I would revise some of these

up/down. Putting one image per month forward would allow me

to take my revisions into account and of course further participate

in the PN community in a very POSITIVE way.

 

All the best

Louis

<b>Walter</><p></b>

When you upload to this site you are subject to all comments and ratings. You do not decide who rates or comments your photo. If you expect nothing but high ratings and 'wow' comments go upload to a photoalbum and give all your mate rating buddies the URL. You can collect all the Wows you like there.</p><p>

 

This is suppose to be a photo critique site. It is the furthest thing from that. The top rated pages are something seen by people, apparently, on their first look at this site. We are each one of us responsible for what appears in those pages. We make the reputation of photo.net. Presently, the reputation of photo.net stinks all over the web. Until we learn to behave in a responsible, adult manner and rate and comment in an honest way that adds to the lore of photography; we might as well just all hide our faces in shame.</p><p>

 

The problem keeps getting worse. More complaints, questions, and retaliations. No way for a new person to possibly get feed back unless he/she buys into the rating game. Then the feedback is literally useless. It was not always like this. Once the good photos really did come to the top. That was before self serving people figured out how to manipulate the system. If one of these people are removed they are replaced by at least 2 more. </p><p>

As I see it, we need a place for the people who are serious about good feedback to find that without pressure from peers to rate a photo that is inferior and poor. For example, I have recently uploaded an inferior photo with a great story attached to it. The photo got the ratings it deserved by friends who rate and comment consciously, despite my claims to the merit of the story. I have nothing but admiration for people like that on this site, but they are being beaten into the background by the voracious rate mongering, self serving... well. I can see no solution but to nuke everything and start from a level playing field. Why not? easy solution, free up bandwidth and everyone can restart on the fire of the starting gun. Yeaaaa team! BLAH.</p> </b>