wogears Posted January 17, 2003 Share Posted January 17, 2003 Hello! Apologies to those on Tony Sleep's list who have seen a similar post. I am curious if anyone has a reasonably informed opinion on the virtues of the Epson Expression 1680 as opposed to the "consumer" 2450/3200 models for MF and 4x5 negs and chromes. The 1680 claims a significantly higher Dmax value (3.6 vs. 3.4) and seems to be a lot more solidly built. Still, one can get a used MF camera for the difference in price between the 2450 (about 280-300 US street) and the 1680 (1000 street). TIA, Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonard_evens Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 The two main differences between the 1680 and the 2450/3200, except for resolution, are the size of the film you can scan and focusing. The 2450/3200 is restricted to a 4 x 9 inch window, and it has a fixed focus lens, relying on depth of field for adequate sharpness. The 1680 has a mechanism for focusing. I've been using the 2450 for medium and 4 x 5 format, and I am fairly well satisfied with it. It is clear I could do better with a scanner capable of much higher resolution and with better optics. I don't have any personal experience with the 1680, but I suspect you have to go to over $2000 for a scanner that can do signficantly better for medium format or 4 x 5. You can look at math.northwestern.edu/~len/photos/pages/e2450.html for some examples of what the 2450 can do with 6 x 7 film I scan primarily negative film (b/w and color). It is true that with transparencies I get close to the limits of the 2450, but it seems able to handle it. I am going to do some more testing with transparency film. I doubt if the difference between 3.4 and 3.6 is going to be that significant except in marginal circumstances. I haven't seen the 2450 advertised for under $300, and the newer 3200 ppi scanner is supposed to sell for $400. If the newer scanner really is noticeably better, it would make sense to wait for it. Undoubtely, there will be reviews and user comments to refer to shortly after it appears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_hovland Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 I just looked at the Epson site, and on the 1680 Pro, under focus control, it says N/A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wogears Posted January 18, 2003 Author Share Posted January 18, 2003 Hi! The 1680 has what Epson calls a "dual-focus" mechanism, meaning that the focus is raised to a predetermined point aboce the copyglass when the film holders are in use. Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twmeyer Posted January 18, 2003 Share Posted January 18, 2003 I have had good success with the 2450 by taping the 4x5 trans to the glass instead of using the holders. A friend encountered Newton Rings, I have not. I only tape at two points to prevent movement, and don't sandwich between plates like a glass carrier. The holders Epson provides crop too much and let the film sag (curve). .. t (3M's Magic Tape (MMM810) leaves no residue and it's adhesive is inert acrylic.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_L1664876404 Posted January 19, 2003 Share Posted January 19, 2003 I use the 2450 for 2-1/4 negs and have had good results with no problems. I made my own film holder to hold strips of three 6x6 negs vertically for previewing all three using VueScan - much faster than one at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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