LF Television Battle By the Automakers

> of place more than normal humans, do not see the Satanic

> relationship between

> vehicle size and loss of the sense of place in America. Suburban sprawl,

> anyone? Requiring more acres of parking, higher parking garages,

> wider streets?

> Blocking sight lines on city sidewalks? Living in your car?

 

 

Ooooo... some of my favourite things to photograph

 

tim

 

sipping Laphroag in Yellowknfe

When I first decided to try LF I looked around for a Deardorf,

reasoning that the classic approach would cool my gadget lust

and force me to concentrate on making photographs.

 

They are incredibly rare and expensive here in Europe, and I

think I have discovered why. The father of a friend of mine works

at the Saab factory in Trollhättan, and he showed me pictures of

the new automated shop floor where final assembly and

polishing of the upcoming Saab SUV is carried out. Not only

were most of the fitters women (apparently they are more

consciencious than their male coworkers), but the cars

appeared to be transported through the factory on pallets that

look suspiciously like folded Deardorfs.

 

My friend confirmed that Saab had done an extensive testing

program, and had found that antique Deardorfs were in fact the

best available way of picking up both women and SUVs.

 

Is it any wonder the eBay prices are so high?

What a delightful thread! Could it be that Deardorff is secretly still in business, building SUVs instead of view cameras? Is that where Hummers come from??

Maybe I've just been ordering the wrong booze.

 

Anyway, where did everyone get the idea that large vehicles are a new thing? My old Cordoba was bigger than my Suburban. I think it even had more storage space. There was a whole 18" between the radiator and grill that allowed you to keep a case of beer cool AND sneak it into the drive-in. Very civilized. Miniaturization is the newer trend. Me and my Korona barely fit in these "modern" cars.

Warning .... this is a rant.

 

The comment about the poor souls trapped in their cubicles really struck a chord with me. After being told to more or less be original but not too original and to speak my mind but not offend anyone, after working those 60-plus hours to catch up without the extra pay and never catching up because more work was piled on, and finally being told "we don't pay you to be sick after almost dying from pneumonia (I was working instead of staying in bed like I should have), my solution was to ONLY work 40 hours a week no matter what. If there is too much work and not enough people, it's not my problem. I've become a lot more mercenary. Pay me now or pay me later. The world didn't end, and I make enough to shoot any format I want, drink single malt, and eat a few pounds of bacon/Porterhouse/whatever whenever I want. Oh I forgot, it's really not "correct" to "enslave" animals for food now. It supposedly once was, if you were honest and worked hard you got rewarded (I seem to have missed that time - if it ever really existed). Now if you work hard and get the work done, you get laid off just in time for Christmas.

 

Now. I don't have a car right now, but there is nothing evil about a big SUV or classic Caddy or Shelby Cobra etc. If and when I get another car, it will be what I want and not all the left leaning liberal "we know what's best for you" busybodies in the world will dictate what I drive. You want to save the forests? Stop clear cutting. Stop morons from tossing lit cigarettes from their cars. Stop stupid park rangers from having hissy fits over their boyfriends.

Stop governments from building dams for purely political and egotistical purposes. Driving something someone else told you to drive will not make one bit of difference.

 

After reading some other posts elsewhere on this site, I guess it's OK for bin Laden to blow up New York and for S.Hussein to kill his own people and invade Kuwait, but God help you if you don't drive the politically correct car. Get a grip.

 

Personally, I've about had it with policial correctness and all the hand wringing, all the "save this and save that". Especially when it is usually promoted by rich movie stars, rock stars, and politicians whose lifestyle is one of obscene consumption. Let them get out of their mansions and Rolls Royces. Let the rich yuppie doctors give up their golf courses to make a nature preserve. I think the next person dumb enough to tell me to my face about what I have to do, or have to give up will get my fist down his throat. I'm not giving up diddly squat.

 

End of rant.

thanks a lot steve - meanwhile, all your industrial pollutants are concentrated in the atmosphere here, swirling around poisoning things, and the arctic is melting thanks to the unthinking selfish emmissions from over use of fossil fuels.

 

And just think about it - if we didn't use up so much oil, we wouldn't have to go to war with Iraq and fill all those body bags with young men and women...

The height of the "Ice Age" was about 15,000 years ago (when glaciers covered much of North America). Ever since that time the temperature of the earth has gotten <b>considerably</b> warmer, and that warming trend is continuing. There is no scientific evidence that a man-made greenhouse gases has had a measurable impact on global warming.</p>

 

If we do go to war with Iraq it will be because of weapons of mass destructions that would otherwise fill up millions of body bags of innocent people in the Middle East or on our own soil, not because of oil.

"If we do go to war with Iraq it will be because of weapons of mass

destructions

that would otherwise fill up millions of body bags of innocent people

in the

Middle East or on our own soil, not because of oil."

 

People actually believe that...?

Saddam Hussein has in the recent past attacked Iran, invaded Kuwait, shelled Isreal and waged a policy of "racial cleansing" against Kurds in his own country. I doubt his people, or any neighboring countries would miss him.

I just want the ground glass off that guy's camera in the Subaru ad. Did you see how BRIGHT that sucker is???

all of which are excuses for and not the reasons for the upcoming conflict. It's all purley about US interests in the Gulf. There is nothing altruistic about what's ahppening - and maybe I'll be forced to eat my hat on this one, but in the long run, this one is going to cost the US a lot more young men and women.

 

anywa - this is way off topic now, so I'm signing off on this one.

Alan, you're totally off topic. What does groundglass brightness have to do with ethnic cleansing? PLEASE try to keep up.

 

Just kidding. If the guy had a field camera instead of a monorail he wouldn't have even needed a vehicle to get all the way out there, cutting down on greenhouse gases, reducing America's dependence on oil, reducing the income of Middle Eastern countries and eco-nazi western conglomerates, bringing even more poverty and hardship to the Middle Eastern people, forcing them to rise up and topple their dictatorships and replacing them with "democratic" governments based on Shariah law, creating the need for the U.S. to overthrow them and install puppet leaders and letting warlords rule vast tracks of land and generally making the world a better place. It all seems so easy.

 

This forum really DOES have the answer to all the questions you can imagine. But what lens would you use to photograph the warlords?

The following is the wording of the printed statement that Neville Chamberlain waved as he stepped off the plane on 30 September, 1938 after the Munich Conference had ended the day before:</p>

<i>"We, the German Führer and Chancellor, and the British Prime Minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognizing that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for our two countries and for Europe.

We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.

We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries, and we are determined to continue our efforts to remove possible sources of difference, and thus to contribute to assure the peace of Europe."</i></p>

Chamberlain read the above statement in front of 10 Downing St. and said:</p><i>

"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time... Go home and get a nice quiet sleep."</I>

Friends,

 

We are drifting into very choppy waters here. I cannot imagine

how we'd ever really solve anything by getting into the dirty

details. All that seems to get accomplished in these situations is

that people get to vent, which is fine on some level, but then

other people, in turn, get their feathers ruffled. And on and on.

 

And I'm not even talking about the Iraq/U.S. conflict -- I'm only

talking about the Ebony vs. Technika situation!

 

Reminds me of one of those rare occurrences of seeing the

Donahue show; one of the most easily-missed shows on

television. But last night, they had a Southern Baptist preacher, a

Jewish rabbi, and two other progressive preachers, all on the

panel; (but no Muslims at all). The question on the table was:

"Can you get to Heaven without being saved in the Christian

tradition?" or something to that effect (obviously skewed toward

the Christians for ratings). In the end, it was just sad -- a bunch

of educated, grown men, ranting and raving about how their way

was best (and the ONLY way).

 

I don't have any point here, other than being thankful that this list

is "Photo.net" instead of "Religion.net" or "The Environment.net".

this just in,

 

greenhouse gasses are a lot of hot air! not a bit of evidence... thanks philo. like i said, look at temp indexes at FANB. no appreciable gain.

 

this also just in,

 

beattie don't make a screen that bright! and, sadly, it is about oil, kinda. the whole stinking white house is filled with oily fatcats all prodding a dumbass to settle old family scores and rewrite the history books fer his pops. look at the targets and timing. unocal's trans-turkmenistan pipeline is back on... with karzai's help and our troops all over the damned place, it no longer needs to be so long. now it can go the short route, even shorter maybe, like say, to the port of karachi? and look at the untapped oil reserves in iraq, the ones just south of baghdad, yup... and now Lukoil has been denied. hell, who knows, maybe even the russkies'll 'jine in the new coalition. and here's another cat, damn this bag of mine is full. a 1990 AWC report finding states that the halabja kurds were victims of an iranian phosgene attack. even if this is merely propaganda from the other side, the fact remains that Rummy was Ronnie's 'man in iraq' during similar gassings on iranians, making sure Sadam had plenty of helicopters fer the more famous one four years later. and that we supplied the Turks with plenty of money and gas to use against the kurds. it is the oil my friends, but more too... and very little to do with WOMD. never has been WOMD... Sadam gets little credit fer keeping iran out of everything south of him. look how little has been done for palestine... it's not about oil so much as control and when that can't be managed, destabilization. Sadam's a kook... but we made him. we also managed to make him magically become bin-laden too.

 

that is all,

 

tribby the thurdish rebel

"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister

has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for

our time... Go home and get a nice quiet sleep."

 

I'm not quite sure what you are saying here? Are you suggesting Tony Blair should enter into some form of appeasment with George Bush to try and prevent his war-mongering or he shouldn't?

 

(I take it you've read the expansionist National Security Statement by the nice Ms. Rice? - basically the US can attack anyone it likes if it feels like it)

in the spirit of trying to draw parallels to dubdubdeuce... i offer this...

 

Hundreds of Muslim Immigrants Rounded Up in Calif.

Wed Dec 18, 8:47 PM ET

By Jill Serjeant

 

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Hundreds of Iranian and other Middle East citizens were in southern California jails on Wednesday

after coming forward to comply with a new rule to register with immigration authorities only to wind up handcuffed and behind bars.

 

Shocked and frustrated Islamic and immigrant groups estimate that more than 500 people have been arrested in Los Angeles, neighboring Orange County and San Diego in the past three days under a new nationwide anti-terrorism program. Some unconfirmed reports put the figure as high as 1,000.

 

The arrests sparked a demonstration by hundreds of Iranians outside a Los Angeles immigration office. The protesters carried banners saying "What's next? Concentration camps?" and "What happened to liberty and justice?."

 

A spokesman for the Immigration and Naturalization Service said no numbers of people arrested would be made public. A Justice Department spokesman could not be reached for comment.

 

The head of the southern California chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union compared the arrests to the internment of Japanese Americans in camps during the Second World War.

 

"I think it is shocking what is happening. It is reminiscent of what happened in the past with the internment of Japanese Americans. We are getting a lot of telephone calls from people. We are hearing that people went down wanting to cooperate and then they were detained," said Ramona Ripston, the ACLU's executive director.

 

JAILS OVERFLOWING

 

One activist said local jails were so overcrowded that the immigrants could be sent to Arizona, where they could face weeks or months in prisons awaiting hearings before immigration judges or deportation.

 

"It is a shock. You don't expect this to happen. It is really putting fright and apprehension in the community. People who come from these countries -- this is what they expect from their government. Not from America," said Sabiha Khan of the Southern California chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations.

 

The arrests were part of a post Sept. 11 program that requires all males over 16 from a list of 20 Arab or Middle East countries, who do not have permanent resident status in the United States, to register with U.S. immigration authorities.

 

Monday was the deadline for men from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Sudan. News of the mass arrests came first in southern California, which is home to more than 600,000 Iranian exiles and their families.

 

Officials declined to give figures for those arrested or for the numbers of people who turned up to register, be fingerprinted and have their photographs taken.

 

"We are not releasing any numbers," said Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) spokesman Francisco Arcaute.

 

CALLS FOR HELP

 

Islamic groups and the local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said they had been swamped with calls for help.

 

INS spokesman Arcaute said those arrested had violated immigration laws, overstayed their visas, or were wanted for crimes. The program was prompted by concern about the lack of records on tourists, students and other visitors to the United States after the Sept. 11 hijack plane attacks on New York and Washington.

 

Islamic community leaders said many of the detainees had been living, working and paying taxes in the United States for five or 10 years, and had families here.

 

"Terrorists most likely wouldn't come to the INS to register. It is really a bad way to go about it. They are being treated as criminals and that really goes against American ideals of fairness, and justice and democracy," Khan said.

 

The Iranian protesters said many of those detained were victims of official delays in processing visa and green card requests.

 

"My father, they just took him in," one young man told reporters. "They've been treating him like an animal. They put him in a room with, like, 50 other people and no bed or anything."

 

Khan said one of those in jail was a doctor, who was being sponsored for U.S. citizenship when his sponsor died.

 

One Syrian man said he went to register in Orange County with a dozen friends. He was the only one to come out of the INS office. "All my friends are inside right now," M.M. Trapici, 45, told reporters. "I have to visit the family for each one today. Most of them have small kids."

 

 

guess what fellers... we ARE the great satan. well, you are, i'm kinda partial to tribal cultures of all stripes and downright suspicious of ol' fork'd tongue and his treaties. so, i'm saying it loud and clear, be ye suni, shari'a, kurd... hutu, whathave-you, YOU ARE WELCOME AT MY HOUSE. i am your friend.

 

tribby, the thurdish rebel

 

 

 

<i>"INS spokesman Arcaute said those arrested had violated immigration laws, overstayed their visas, or were wanted for crimes. The program was prompted by concern about the lack of records on tourists, students and other visitors to the United States after the Sept. 11 hijack plane attacks on New York and Washington.</p>

 

Islamic community leaders said many of the detainees had been living, working and paying taxes in the United States for five or 10 years, and had families here."</i></p>

 

If these persons had violated immigration laws in any other country of the world they would have suffered a similar or even much worse fate. Whether or not someone pays taxes is irrelevant if they don't follow immigration laws.

But I don't understand. O.J. paid taxes. O.J. violated the law. But O.J. didn't go to prison. :-)

Anyone who went voluntarily to register should be released immediately unless there already were other wants, warrants and charges filed against him. Anyone who is a citizen should not even have to consider being questioned or detained. If there is any "punishment" for being a bit late, it should just be a very mild lecture for being late. Nothing more. Mass arrests and detainment are wrong, this whole affair is wrong. Bet you never expected ME to say that, did you?

i forgot to add my fellow tribesmen be ye sunis 'er sufis...

 

if you do come fer a visit, you will be served beer and you will be lectured on the equality of women... (pssst, they're actually better than us boys, but don't tell them that)

 

me

 

p.s. i'll add this link... and i expect every cracker in here to write their congresspeeps after seeing it. it's not only fine photojournalism... but excellent web use and design.

 

http://www.foto8.com/issue10/reportage/JBRussell/iraquranium01.html