steve_k.1 Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 Hi, I'm new to the site as well as to Nikon equipment. I'm replacing a recently stolen Canon Elan IIe and am thinking of jumping ship and giving Nikon a try, but need some advice on what to get. I do different shots, from landscape to wildlife which causes grief to my wallet, as I want to cover wide through tele lenses if I can. My canon collection included a 100-300 L series zoom (for sale if you know anyone...) with a 1.4x teleconverter. For my budget that was about as long as I could go, which does introduce limits with wildlife photos. My whole budget is to stay under $1500. I want to try to go with lenses that can produce image quality good enough for stock photo selling. I shoot both slide and print, but recently have decided to stay mostly with slide, to accomodate sellability and to avoid poor print processing. <p>Anyway, here are some things I'm thinking of (pricing I found on net after Nikon rebates):<br><br> Nikon N80 body $320<br> Nikon 18-35mm/3.5-4.5 ED-IF AF-D $430<br> Nikon 50mm/1.8 $100<br> <p>Possibly one or more of the following:<br><br> Nikon 60mm/2.8 macro $325<br> Tokina ATX Pro 28-70/2.8 $520 (instead of 18-35)<br> Sigma 20-40 EX DF $530 (instead of nikon 18-35)<br> Lens reversal adapter for macro $??? (instead of 60mm macro)<br> <br> I expect that 22-24mm would be the widest I would go, with either the sigma or nikon wide zooms, for need as well as avoiding abberation. Possibly could go with fixed 24mm instead of wide zoom. <p>The nikon compatible tele lens seem pricey. Any opinions on the Nikon 70-300 ED AF-D (~$260)? <p>Also, what kind of speedlights would be good? I'd like to have one that works with TTL and has bounce. <p>Any help or opinions is appreciated. <p>Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_bridge Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 Why not replace your Canon body? You'll be hard pressed to replace the body and get something as good as the 100-300L for under $1500 in the Nikon line. BTW: I've got 30 years of Nikon gear accumulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_gifford Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 Okay, I'll spend your money for you. 1) Sell your Canon 100-300 L and the teleconverter. Kiss teleconverters goodbye in general. Why? Nikon teleconverters are fine optically but stone age technology by comparison to Canon's. You lose autofocus for one thing (unless you pony up for Nikon's AFS lenses and the AFS-specific converters, and that's not in your budget). 2) Buy the N80, AF-D 24mm f/2.8, AF-D 50mm f/1.8, AF-D-ED-VR-TMDA* 80-400 Nikkor zoom and an SB-80DX speedlight. 3) Wince as you exceed your budget. 4) Have fun in the world of Nikon. 5) I have the AF-D ED 70-300 lens you asked about. It's a fine lens for the money, and I am delighted with it. Any better option for 300mm glass and autofocus in the Nikkor line will be MUCH more expensive. But for wildlife shots you'd be leaning heavily on the 300 end of its range, which some folks find to be too soft. You cannot get an autofocusing teleconverter for it from Nikon, although perhaps a third-party teleconverter (Kenko? Tamron?) would work, I dunno. If you want to equal the reach you enjoyed with your Canon 100-300 zoom plus Canon teleconverter, you could also get the 300mm f/4 AFS and a Nikon AFS teleconverter. But you lose all the under-300mm focal lengths and it's not noticeably cheaper than the 80-400 anyway. *TMDA == Too Many Damned Acronyms Have fun, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_duren Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 Go with your starter kit, the N80, 18-35, and 50mm Nikkors. Now to keep the total price under $1500 buy the 70-300 G lens and for macro the 100mm 3.5 Pheonix or Vivitar, throw in the SB28DX and you come in under $1500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_kelly1 Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 No way you can equal the capability you already have at that budget in the Nikon world. Craig's right: replace the body............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thidglance Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 You would be mad to switch (And I'm a Nikon guy too !). Get a nice canon body and a good canon wide angle. You could probably get a good secondhand EOS-3 and a wide for the money you have. The 100-300L is an very good lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodus Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 If you switch brands, I would go slowly and start with the N80 (excellent choice), a 19-35mm (lots of choices here vivitar, tokina, tamron), and a 70-300mm macro 1:2 (again lots of choices). I don't think you need anything in between 35 to 70. Total cost for this package will be under $750. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_k.1 Posted October 10, 2002 Author Share Posted October 10, 2002 Thanks for the replies everyone - it has made me think twice about switching. It was a little surprising, I expected more of a "come to the dark side Luke" type of agenda. However, I'm re-researching options on the Canon side, that way I get to keep my remaining decent long lens, and can probably stay within budget. I'll keep monitoring the forum, and put up another post when I decide, which will probably be soon. Here are some additional thoughts, that aren't really directly related to my original question. Feel free to add or ignore as needed. When I started my original reply, I began rambling and typed out most of what is below, then re-read it and found that it was, well, rambling, and didn't need to be in the reply. Instead of just deleting it, I thought someone might find it interesting or useful. Naaah, but here it is anyway... I don't care too much about most of the advanced features on modern cameras, the electronic features anyway. A full manual with DOF preview and auto-focus would be OK with me most of the time. Some features like auto advance, auto-rewind and the easier film loading that comes with new cameras are really nice though. Hmmm. Am I just lazy? Maybe they will add an "auto-composure" mode on one of the new cameras. I could then put it on a robot, attach a cell phone then let it drive around taking great shots and transmitting them to my laptop while lying in bed watching Opra, CNN and FNN. Better yet, transmit them to agencies directly, who will then automatically deposit funds into my account. That would be a truly advanced film transport. Sorry about the sidetrack there. Anyway, I rarely use the "program" (I Don't Care) modes and could very easily go without them. Its too bad you can't buy cameras like cars, where you add the options you want. If the Rebel had DOF preview and was smart with a shoe-flash I might go with it. They're inexpensive enough that if it really doesn't work out, then at least you have a good backup. In this case, "good" excludes cheaper construction of the Rebel which I have heard a couple stories about, like cracked cases and such. If Craftsman made cameras, I'd buy that brand instead. Find yourself stuck in the woods camping without your hammer? No problem, just use your Shiny New Craftsman SLR to hammer the tent pegs in, then on the way home drop in to Sears and exchange it for a new one. Great multipurpose cameras they are, good for wheel chocks if you find yourself with a flat tire, and work sufficiently as a spare ball at little league, although knuckle-balls are a challenge. There was a Sears lens on eBay last week, but it wasn't a Craftsman so I passed it up. Seriously though, have you ever taken a look at the Rebels? For what is supposed to be a beginner camera, it seems to have all the basic features and more. Some of the features are nice, but having already had an Elan IIe with all of them plus, I found they were rarely used. The same situation probably exists for the Nikon series too. So, what are the differences that make you pay hundreds of dollars more for one of the higher end cameras? For example, the N65 vs the N100 or the Rebel vs the EOS 3? With the price difference you could get a really nice lens or two. Its harder than it should be to buy a camera. It isn't any easier when major makers like Canon put camera specifications on their website with each in a vastly different format so you can't easily see the differences. Nikon isn't as bad about this, but they aren't good about it either. I didn't mean to pollute the Nikon forums with ramblings about Canon, but wanted to close my question out after getting some good feedback. Perhaps I should wonder over to the Canon forum to see if anyone knows some really good reasons for the price differences on their line. Thanks again for the inputs, hope to hear from you again in the forums. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_kelly1 Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Your choice of metaphor answers the question: to you "Craftsman" is a symbol of rugged durability; but to a contractor it's a barely acceptable, handyman-oriented line of tools, below Milwaukie, Skil, Makita, Delta and so forth. If a circular saw develops play in the arbor after a year or two of daily use it's not a pro tool. If a camera needs replacement after 50,000 shots, or is not really well-sealed against dust and moisture, it won't be cost-effective for a working stiff, though sometimes a travelling PJ will put up with amateur construction to save weight. Since most cameras are sold to amateurs, usually only one body at the top of the line is really rugged enough to drive nails (or take into a war zone). The EOS 1v and F5 are the Vaughn framing hammers of the camera world, and they are the cheapest cameras to own for those who really need them..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_kelly1 Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 And, oh , yeah, that Sears exchange thing? Back when I was a contractor just for fun I bought one of their saws and every six months or so, when the kerf started to widen due to arbor play, I'd bring it back and get handed a new one without comment. But most of their buyers would never get to that point in ten years. That's why you won't be taking much of a risk if you replace your Elan with an amateur pre-owned EOS 3 which, if I were in your shoes,is what I'd do in a New York minute................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_lofquist Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 I would suggest going to a longer F.L. for macro than 60mm. I do use the 60 for copy work, but vastly prefer my 105 for nature close-ups. Even better is a 200mm macro, or 300mm with extension tubes, diopters, TCs (or combinations thereof). While my investment is in Nikon, I too think, that in your case, I would stick with Canon. Best, Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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