rconey Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Without getting too technical (It's a long time since my college physics) what is the tradeoff in resolution as we apply increasing color noise reduction in an image. If it's as simple as "increasing noise reduction reduces resolution linearly", then say so. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddler4 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 This tradeoff must vary depending on the algorithm used, but I doubt anyone other than the vendor could tell you an approximate mathematical relationship 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_gallimore1 Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 This could be a good starting point: Noise Reduction - RawPedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitphotospace Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 colour NR shouldn't affect resolution say VS luminance NR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rconey Posted July 26, 2021 Author Share Posted July 26, 2021 Hmm, thanks. I've found that Adobe ACR now sets a default color noise reduction of 25, far higher than most images need when shot at base iso. I sometimes forget to reset it, and am trying to decide how much I care about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Smith Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) I think you might find that 25 is actually zero noise reduction and 0 adds noise. It allows for ACR to match different RAW outputs. Just guessing. Edited July 26, 2021 by Robin Smith Robin Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaldog Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 I think you might find that 25 is actually zero noise reduction and 0 adds noise. It allows for ACR to match different RAW outputs. Just guessing. Yes, that's indeed a guess. ;) No, ACR doesn't 'add noise' at Zero. http://www.photoshopforphotographers.com/pscs5/100827_1604/Help_guide/PDFs/Cameraraw-sharpening.pdf No, ACR doesn't and cannot 'match' other raw converter output; each product is proprietary. Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rconey Posted July 26, 2021 Author Share Posted July 26, 2021 As above. When I think about it, I blow the image up to 100% over a dark area, turn the slider sown to zero, and then put back whatever noise reduction is needed. At base iso that is commonly zero, and usually less than 15. I am guessing that less manipulation of the data is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Smith Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 The salient part of the message is " A default setting of 25% is applied to all raw or raw DNG images, but if you open a TIFF, or JPEG image, Camera Raw assumes the image has already been pre-sharpened and applies a 0% Amount setting" Something good to know which could have been just referred to in a less snarky way. But it fits a pattern. Robin Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaldog Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 I apologize that providing the facts and correcting your guess/assumptions appear snarky. Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaldog Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Hmm, thanks. I've found that Adobe ACR now sets a default color noise reduction of 25, far higher than most images need when shot at base iso. I sometimes forget to reset it, and am trying to decide how much I care about that. You can set raw defaults for this specific to your ISO of the capture: https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/acr-raw-defaults.html Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisibleflash Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 OP...don't know what it all means. With me, the only 'means' that is important is the final print or image. If it is doable or hopefully pretty good that is all that counts. If it is too crappy, then that is the answer. The answer is not in the books or wiki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rconey Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 Dog...., thanks for the link. I will dig in when I have time. I have been in that dialog box before and could not work out how to save my preferences. In the past there was a simple check box in a pulldown of an ACR panel to "Save Preferences" or something to that effect. A few versions back it got more complicated, which is when this question arose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rconey Posted July 28, 2021 Author Share Posted July 28, 2021 For the record, I went in thru the listed link above and went around in circles again..... BUT I found the way to set my defaults again. In the latest ACR at the bottom of the tool options (top right) is "...". Click that after setting the default settings you want. Then click "Save Settings". That will take you to a file for saved settings- name it what you like. THEN go into the "Set Raw Defaults" out of the same "..." menu. That dialog box then lets you set the camera and the default setting. This time you will choose "Choose Preset" then "User Preset" out of drop down boxes (same "..." choice on the far right). Choose the one you just saved and you are good. For now. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcstep Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 I'm way late to this thread, but I thought that it might be useful to some if I describe how I use DxO's DeepPRIME noise reduction when dealing with feathers and fur detail. Lately, I'm shooting with the Sony a1 and shoot at it's 2d native ISO of ISO 500, whenever possible. So long as I don't underexpose, images at ISO 500 require no NR. When shooting at ISO 1000 and higher I'll apply DxO's excellent DeepPRIME NR. I'll leave chrominance at 100%, but reduce luminance from the default of 40 to 20, so as not to smear fur and feather detail. I'll also raise Fine Contrast to around 20 to sharpen detail. Here's a shot taken with the a9 at ISO 25800, process with DeepPRIME at the settings discussed in the previous paragraph. Sorry for the size, but I wanted you to be able to pixel-peep: Handsome Tests The Air by David Stephens, on Flickr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Back to Hepburn (Katherine) again-- You can't have it all-you have to make choices-win here, lose there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rconey Posted October 6, 2021 Author Share Posted October 6, 2021 Thanks all. I agree that the final output is what matters. Good is good, and ugly is ugly. I do have some interest in what is happening under the hood, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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