samstevens Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 It’s your personal disposition toward me that leads you to mischaracterize this as being about my ego and it’s simply your prejudice that leads to your mistakenly characterizing explanations of art as a matter of ego. I was mostly talking about critics, theorists, and historians often having a different enough and significant understanding of art to sometimes be able to articulate things better than the artist. You turn that sometimes into an always and in a most shallow way attribute it to nothing more than ego. No doubt, Szarkowski had ego, just as did most of the photographers and artists he talked about. Nothing wrong with an ego. But, just as Eggleston loved making photographs (and is also well known for simply lying or making stuff up about them, which is great, too), Szarkowski loved dissecting them, putting them into context, and sharing that with audiences. If you want to place Eggleston on a higher rung of humanity than Szarkowski because of the difference in their chosen expressive outlets and your inability to relate to each, be my guest. It’s only you who lose. "You talkin' to me?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 "It’s your personal disposition toward me that leads you to mischaracterize this as being about my ego and it’s simply your prejudice that leads to your mistakenly characterizing explanations of art as a matter of ego." Well, my personal disposition towards you, is a good mate. Do not confuse challenges to your posts other than just challenges. Not that you cannot use your imagination to offer your thoughts on a photograph. But, remember, you are not the photographer, just a third party person, offering their thoughts. That's it. Photographic thoughts. the Art of prose, is the Art of prose. The Art of photography is the Art of the photograph. Neither, need each other, as the both stand alone in their Art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Every one has a ego, Sam. Part of what we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samstevens Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 misplaced ego You accused those who write about art of having a misplaced ego. That’s both boorish and wrong. You lack the capacity to understand somewhat complex discussions of art and that awareness of your own shortcoming leads you to project crap onto others. I’m not your mate, never have been, never will be. You haven’t challenged me. You’ve challenged a figment of your imagination that says art needs words. That figment has nothing to do with what I believe or think. "You talkin' to me?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_watson1 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 Same old tiresome FredG... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 "You accused those who write about art of having a misplaced ego" Sam. Err no, although some who chase the coin. But they are not the Artist a important distinction. "I’m not your mate, never have been, never will be." Sam You do have to be my mate, for me to be your mate. Like to think its a free world, to be someone's mate, even if they don't want me to be their mate. " You haven’t challenged me" Sam. Okay. Be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) Ego, Sam. None of us are so superior to other folk. Edited September 17, 2021 by Allen Herbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samstevens Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Same old tiresome FredG... Reminds me of the Donna Reed like TV-mom who, when her son would get in trouble, called him Jeffrey instead of Jeff. Only Donna Reed had class. And FredG is not a very effective outing, at this point, and outing has never been a very effective tactic anyway. "You talkin' to me?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 " You haven’t challenged me" Sam." More important challenges than folks ego. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanKlein Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 I think the writings about Eggleston's work is more interesting than the work itself. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/photos/alanklein2000/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samstevens Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 lol, I don’t. But your position is certainly valid and appreciated. Maybe there’s something to it in that interesting or not interesting is probably not the best adjective to capture Eggleston’s work. If I were to choose one word for Eggleston, it might be observant. Two words might be peculiarly observant. Three, peculiarly, colorfully observant. If I were to sum it up with an oxymoron, which I think is appropriate, I might say Eggleston’s photos are earnestly droll. "You talkin' to me?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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