Daylight transparency

X-Trans is a modified Bayer array, not random in any sense. Traditional 2x2 Bayer arrays of R, 2G and B pixels are arranged in blocks of 4 which each 2x2 is rotated 90 degrees. Foveon sensors are arguably the best solution to color aliasing, with R, G, and B sensors stacked in a single pixel, but at the expense of sensitivity and spacial resolution.

 

Pixel-shift imaging is probably the most effect way to reduce aliasing and Moire. It doesn't eliminate either, but renders the effects to a minute scale, if not below the resolution of the lens.

X-Trans is a modified Bayer array, not random in any sense. .

 

oh yeah? what about this piece of literature then ;)

 

Nothing you show above from Fuji dismisses what Ed provided above. X-Trans is a modified Bayer array.

Nothing you show above from Fuji dismisses what Ed provided above. X-Trans is a modified Bayer array.

 

I am in fact in full agreement with Ed - the array should be described as comparatively "heterogeneous" if you were to consider the Bayer setup. both random and "moiré resistant" are marketing hypes perpetrated by gear review sites - talk about accountability!

Yes, there is a degree of marking hype. If you insist on going to a Fuji site composed of marketing, that's what you'll get.

None the less, the sensor isn't 'the same/identical' as Ed and Fuji point out.

You do realize that if Fuji on this site stated their sensor was comparatively "heterogeneous", many reader's heads would explode and the goal of the site would be ruined.

What underlined (by you?) in that screen capture isn't accurate expect the bit about moiré which as yet, has had no ideal and controlled testing to prove or disprove?

Is there any product you have purchased recently where there is zero marketing hype?

If you look closely in the example above, you see that the "random" array consists of 3x3 blocks of pixels with G corners and center, R on opposite sides and B on alternate opposite sides. Adjacent 3x3 blocks are rotated 90 degrees, ad infinitum.

Is there any product you have purchased recently where there is zero marketing hype?

I found out recently that Tupperware has never made a single commercial ad. Now, of course, the Earl of Tupper’s idea of home parties is a kind of hype in itself, but stands apart in terms of what we generally expect. One of the great ironies of life is that Mattel can hype its toys from today until tomorrow and many kids would much prefer to have hours of fun with their mom’s Tupperware!

 

Krispy Kreme is another company that uses zero paid advertising, though they do use “free” social media. There’s one not far from my house which I avoid, though, because their donuts taste more like air than any sort of cake!

I found out recently that Tupperware has never made a single commercial ad.:)

Not a single commercial Tupperware ad or maybe none after you were born or none you know of? ;)

 

What is this: easily found using “the google machine”:

Tupperware: A blast from the past

A Tupperware ad: "What dreams are made of." NATIONAL MUSEUM OF AMERICAN HISTORY.

 

No Krispy Kreme ads, zero paid advertising?

Krispy Kreme reignites UK push with new outdoor ads

Krispy Kreme's outdoor ads have previously been restricted to London, targeting office workers by displaying ads at train stations and on the Underground, but the brand is now extending its advertising regionally.

So the these outdoor ads were free?

 

I tried them once, never again no matter the actual advertising. I thought they were awful.

 

:eek:

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I got my info from a different room of the same google machine you got yours.

 

6 Top Brands Which Don't Advertise Much & Are Still Ridiculously Famous

 

It looks like the Tupperware ad was made by Tupperware Home Parties, Inc. (which may have been a separate entity from Tupperware—you’re of course welcome to research this further if precision is important to you on what I simply considered a lark) and was for the parties, which I said was their marketing device.

 

But, it may very well be that the site I used didn’t provide accurate info. So sorry for the misinformation and much appreciate the correction. Score yet another for DD, the Olympian of PN rightness.

I got my info from a different room of the same google machine you got yours.

A broken clock is right, twice a day. Which do you suspect is correct.... now?

Did you examine your reference: About Us - Marketing Mind

Mine: CBS news, National Museum of American History: and an actual Tupperware ad!

It looks like the Tupperware ad was made by Tupperware Home Parties, Inc. (which may have been a separate entity from Tupperware—you’re of course welcome to research this further if precision is important to you on what I simply considered a lark) and was for the parties, which I said was their marketing device.

Did you read my outside reference? It's all explained there, same company.

And no, you didn't say that, nice try. You said, exactly, copy and paste (again): "I found out recently that Tupperware has never made a single commercial ad".

 

The assumptions about Krispy Kreme having NO ads seems equally bogus. How do you feel about micro-tracking devices in Covid-19 vaccines? :(

 

What is important to me is indeed precision in facts, proof of concept, science and dismissing both the big and little lies seen daily on the web.

You?

Score yet another for DD, the Olympian of PN rightness.

Preferable to some than Olympian of PN wrongness. :confused: More than enough of that to go around....

Begging the question back at you:

“When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind. What Do You Do, Sir?” John Maynard Keynes

Maybe it is time to get back OT with the facts after that post #32? It didn't answer the question in post #31:

Is there any product you have purchased recently where there is zero marketing hype?

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I really don’t care. Like I said, it was a lark.

How do you feel about micro-tracking devices in Covid-19 vaccines?

I have a hard time imagining the eccentric psychology behind asking such a bizarre question based on the mistake I made.

 

“The Sophistes of Grece coulde through their copiousness make an Elephant of a flye, and a mountaine of a mollehill.” —The first tome or volume of the Paraphrase of Erasmus upon the newe testamente

 

On this note, I will, with a smile of relief, put you on ignore so we don’t cross paths again.

I really don’t care. Like I said, it was a lark.

samstevens translation: "Lark" equals an off topic post that is factually wrong which gets called out. Got it.

I have a hard time imagining the eccentric psychology behind asking such a bizarre question based on the mistake I made.

Progress: Admitting mistakes. It is how we all learn (or should). I make plenty of them, all the time. When I find that indeed it is a mistake (factually wrong), I learn and attempt to move forward; maybe you can (will too) Sam. But you brought this all up, you got it wrong, you went OT.

If being corrected is a burden, maybe consider fact checking before hitting "Post Reply".

Or far better:

On this note, I will, with a smile of relief, put you on ignore so we don’t cross paths again.

The great thing about being ignored is that you can speak the truth with impunity.– Steve Aylett

That's excellent, don't let that big door hit you on the way out Sam. Hope that means you'll ignore this forum; I'm super happy with that decision of yours.

 

As for the ignore list (akin to ignorance is bliss):

“Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.” ― Aldous Huxley

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I dislike sophistry, down to the last detail.

Pharmaceutical companies long abjured from advertising ethical drugs to the public. Their strategy was to convince doctors of their efficacy (called "detail work"), and the doctors would use their judgement to recommend and prescribe to patients. My how that has changed.

 

(The sales force was highly trained in the indications and pharmacology of the drugs they "detailed" and that of their competitors.)

Is there any product you have purchased recently where there is zero marketing hype?

 

You confuse marketing with marketing hype (or deliberate misinformation in certain cases) - these are not the same.

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The great thing about being ignored is that you can speak the truth with impunity.– Steve Aylett

 

yes to the wall, pillow, yourself or worse to those with absolute conformity to your version of the truth.

yes to the wall, pillow, yourself or worse to those with absolute conformity to your version of the truth.

 

Am I being ignored here? Sniff-sniff :(

Am I being ignored here? Sniff-sniff :(

 

“There are no right answers to wrong questions” -Ursula K. Le Guin

“There are no right answers to wrong questions” -Ursula K. Le Guin

 

looks like I am yet to be ignored which is a real shame as, consequently, I won’t be able to speak the truth with impunity

looks like I am yet to be ignored which is a real shame as, consequently, I won’t be able to speak the truth with impunity

Not being known doesn't stop the truth from being true. -Richard Bach

 

I suppose your posting agenda here is to move towards this concept of ignoring you and your 'ideas' of truth, since the original question has been dismissed and largely ignored by everyone else who have come by to your initial question about sensors and moiré ?

By replying, it should be obvious you are not being ignored, at least by me. I'm just not taking you at all seriously.

While you are not being ignored by me, can I ask you: What do you do for a living? There is zero transparency on your user page which may be for good reason. Do answer and speak the truth with impunity.

Edited July 27, 2021 by digitaldog

Not being known doesn't stop the truth from being true. -Richard Bach.

 

For Truth-Try Dialogue

 

I work for a living if you must know - No hidden agenda but I tend to simulate a discussion occasionally as I want to learn, I assume, like others on here incl. yourself. No intention whatsoever to take things to a personal level but firing posts filled with a sense of anger, dismissal of others and (excuse me being blunt) patronising quotes and bold letter words is not necessarily conducive to the truth - on the contrary, tis actually a hindrance to comprehension (on both sides). Whilst the massive underlying technical knowledge is certainly acknowledged and appreciated (certainly you do not need me to validate this), one should perhaps consider a different type of vehicle which ultimately delivers continuously evolving, higher level, of truth.

 

And no, the truth does not even exist unless it is known and even so - it is only true as far as the extent of your own knowledge at the given time. nuff said at my end.

Your inability to answer a simple question speaks volumes.

 

What do you do for a living? There is zero transparency on your user page which may be for good reason. Do answer and speak the truth with impunity.