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The best info I've seen to date is pasted below:

 

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SUBJECT: NEW CANON EOS 1v - Major specifications

DATE: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:45:47 GMT

ORGANIZATION: Deja.com - Before you buy.

NEWSGROUPS: rec.photo.equipment.35mm

 

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Today, I have talked to my local Canon dealer and I can confirm:

1// Canon has suspended the production of the Canon EOS 1N

2// The new Canon EOS 1v replace Canon EOS 1n

 

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Here is official data sheet.

 

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CANON EOS 1 v - Major Specifications

 

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- Type 35 mm AF/AE single-lens reflex with focal-plane shutter and

built-in motor drive. Picture size : 24 mm x 36 mm

- Compatible lenses : Canon EF lenses. Lens mount : Canon EF mount

 

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Viewfinder

- Type : Eye-level pentaprism.

- Picture coverage : 100 percent vertically and horizontally (20 mm

eye relief)

- Magnification : 0.72x (-1 diopter with SOmm lens at infinity)

- Built-in dioptric correction-S - +1 diopter. (Standard diopter : -1

dpt)

- Focusing screen : Interchangeable (9 types), Standard focusing

screen

- Mirror : Quick-return half mirror (Transmission : reflection ratio

of

37 : 63, no vignetting with FE 1200 mm f/5.6 or shorter lens)

- Viewfinder information : (1) On the screen : Area AF ellipse,

focusing

points, center spot metering circle

(2) Below the screen : Manual exposure setting, AF lock, flash ready,

unsuitable, FE lock warning, high-speed sync (PP flash), shutter

speed,

FE lock (FEL), bulb (buLb), focusing point selection mode, depth-of-

field

AL (dep 1, 2), aperture, exposure compensation/flash exposure

compensation, in-focus indicator.

(3) Right of screen : Exposure level scale (+-stops), exposure level

indicator, flash exposure level, frame counter, frame count down

indicator.

- Depth-of-field Preview : Enabled with depth-of-field preview button

- Eyepiece shutter : Built4n

 

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Exposure Control

- Metering modes : TTL max. aperture metering with a 21-zone silicon

photocell.

(1) Evaluative metering (linkable to any focusing point)

(2) Partial metering (approx. 8.5 % of viewfinder at center)

(3) Center spot metering (approx. 2.4 % of viewfinder at center)

(4) Focusing point4inked spot metering (approx. 2.4 % of viewfinder)

(5) Multi-spot metering (Max. 8 spot metering entries)

(6) Centerweighted averaging metering

Exposure Control Methods : 1 Program AL (shiftable), 2 Shutter

speed-priority AL, 3 Aperture-priority AL, 4 Depth-of-field AL (not

shiftable), 5 F-TTL program flash AL, 6 A-TTL program flash AL, 7 TTL

program flash AL, 8 Manual, 9 Bulb (Safety shift possible for 2and3.)

 

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Metering range : LV 0-20 for all metering modes (at 20 C/68 F with

SOmm

f/1.4 lens, 150 100) ISO film speed range : ISO 6-6400 (Set

automatically

 

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with fiX-coded film at ISO 25-5000.)

Exposure compensation (1) : Autoexposure bracketing (AEB) : +-3 stops

in

1/3-stop increments. (2) Manual exposure compensation up to +-3 stops

in

1/3-stop increments set with the Quick Control Dial AEB and manual

exposure

compensation can be set together.

AE Lock : (1) Auto AL lock : Operates in One-Shot AL mode with

evaluative

 

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Metering when focus is achieved.

(2) Manual AL lock : AL lock button activates AL lock in all metering

modes.

Multiple exposures : Max. 9 multiple exposures per frame. (Cancelable

and

resettable at any time.) Cancels automatically after all multiple

exposures

are taken.

 

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Antofocus

Type : TTL-ARLA-SIR with a CMOS sensor

Focusing points : Area AL with 45 focusing points

AF working range : LV 0-18 (at 150 100)

Focusing modes :

(1) One-Shot AF : Autofocus stops when focus is achieved, resulting

in AL lock.

(2) Al Servo AL : Tracks subject movement up to the start of exposure.

No in-focus indicator (blinks at 8 Hz only if AL fails).

(3) Manual focusing : Enabled with the focusing ring when the lens

focus

mode is set to ME (or M). Electronic manual focusing during continuous

shooting and exposure is enabled with PB-F2 and NP-F2.

In-focus indicator : Flashing focusing point in viewfinder (can be

disabled with a Custom Function), in-focus indicator, and beeper (can

be disabled with the Main Switch).

 

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Focusing point selection.

(1) : Automatic selection : Focusing point camera-selected.

(2) Manual selection : Focusing point manually-selected.

Foctsingpoinl rtgi'straIioll and swiaching..Any one focusing point,

45-point

automatic selection can be registered by pressing the Assist button

and FE

lock button. Pressing the Assist button and focusing point selector

switches

to the registered focusing point. AF focusing point

indicator.Superimposed focusing point in viewfinder and also

indicated on LCD panel AF-assist beam : Emitted automatically by the

attached LOS Speedlite when necessary.

 

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Shutter

Type : Vertical-travel, focal-plane shutter with all speeds

electronically-controlled. Shutter speeds : 30 to 1/8000 sec. in 1/3-

stops, X-sync at 1/250 sec. Shutter release : Soft-touch

electromagnetic release Self-timer : 10-sec. or 2-sec. delay.

 

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Film Transport

Film loading : Automatic. After film is loaded and the back closed,

the

film advances to frame 1 automatically, taking about 1 sec.

Film advance system : Automatic film advance with built-in motor.

(1) FOS-lV : Single-frame and continuous shooting.

(2) FOS-1V + Power Drive Booster PB-E2 : Single-frame, low-speed

continuous, high-speed continuous, and ultra-high speed continuous

(wINP-F2).

Infrared film : Compatible Film rewind system : At the end of the

roll, automatic film rewind with a built-in motor. Midroll rewind

possible.

Film rewind time/noise : High-speed rewind : Approx. 4.5 sec. for 24-

ex.

him and approx. 8 sec. for 36-ex. film at 59 dB Silent rewind :

Approx. 12 sec. for 24-ex. film and approx. 18 sec. for 36-ex. film

at 49 dB

Film ID Imprinting (w/standard camera back) Information Imprinted Any

number from Ofi to 99 and film No. from 001 to 999 Imprinting

position and size

Frame 0 on film leader, text height approx. 1 mm

Imprinting method : After film advances during initial loading, a

minilamp imprints a transparent LCD numerals on the film base.

(Imprinting cannot be disabled.)

Imprinting confirmation.During imprinting, the ID mark lights on the

LCD

panel.

 

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Ambient temperature : Imprinting assured between 45 C/ill F and -10

C/14 F

Power source : Same as for the camera

 

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Shooting Data

System : When a picture is taken, the shooting data is automatically

recorded in the built-in memory. The data can be later transferred to

a personal computer for viewing and editing. Data recorded

 

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The data cannot be viewed or edited with the camera.

Shooting data memory rapacity With the standard number of data items,

shooting data for 100 rolls of 36-ex. film can be stored.

 

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Camera Specifications

Flash contacts :

(1) Hot shoe : X-sync direct contacts

(2) Right side bottom : PC terminal (threaded)

External flash system compatibility.E-TTL autoflash, A-TTL autoflash,

TTL

 

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Autoflash

Custom Functions : 20 (No.0 - 19)

Personal Functions : 3 Custom Function groups can be registered.

 

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Remote control : Remote control/data transfer terminal with waterproof

and dustproof cap provided.

 

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Power source :

EOS-1V : One 2CR5 lithium battery

EOS-1V + Power Drive Booster PB-F2 : 8 size-AA batteries or Ni-MH Pack

NP-F2 (sold separately)

Battery Pack BP-F1 : 1 2CR5 lithium battery and 4 size-AA batteries

(size-AA lithium batteries cannot be used)

 

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Battery check : Automatic when the Main Switch is turned on. Battery

level displayed in four levels (not including blank display) on LCD

panel.

 

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Dimensions : EOS-1V : : 161 (W) x 120.8 (H) x 70.8 (D) mm, 6.3 (W) x

4.7

(H) x 2.8 (D) in.

EOS-1V + PB-F2 : 161 (W) x 164.3 (H) x 82.5 (D) mm, 6.3 (W) x 6.4 (H)

x

3.2 (D) in.

Weight EOS-1V : 945 g I 33 oz (body only, excluding battery)

EOS-1V + PB-F2 : 1380 g/48.7 oz (body only, excluding battery)

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EOS-1V Body : US $ 2.600/2800

Availbility : APRIL 2000

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A half mirror is a mirror which reflects some light and transmits some

light (not necessarily 50/50, as the name might imply). The main

mirror on every EOS AF body is a half mirror; the light which is

reflected goes to the viewfinder, while the light which is transmitted

is then reflected by a smaller mirror into the AF detectors.

 

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From looking at the specs that have been posted again and again and

again (and then included, in full, in almost all replies) on

rec.photo.equipment.35mm, I'd have to agree - this doesn't look like

it's much more advanced than the EOS-3. But you never know if the

specs are complete or accurate until they actually come from Canon,

and PMA is at the start of February, so we'll all know soon enough.

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If this early, "leaked" data on the EOS 1v is truly coming from

somewhere within Canon "Europa", and if the tentative price of about

$2800.00 U.S. dollars is correct, then one is left to ponder what

Canon is doing with the extra cost of the 1v compared to the "3". I

believe it's now a fairly safe bet that the 1v will not come with ECF,

and if it is true that the cost of the EOS 3's ECF was about $400.00

for the consumer compared to if no ECF was on-board, then the numbers

might look something like this: 1) EOS 3 with ECF = $1300.00; EOS 1v

= $2800.00; difference = $1500.00; 2) "EOS 3-like" camera without ECF

= about $900.00 (?); difference compared to EOS 1v at $2800.00 = a

$1900.00 difference... What might Canon be doing with the EOS 1v that

would so increase the price of this camera over the "3"? I certainly

don't know the answer to this question, but I wonder if upgrades to

its metering, AFPS systems, and microprocessors might be involved.

Will its metering system rival the Nikon F5? I quess we'll all just

have to stay tuned to find out more!

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Ok - one A-TTL body outta the way (EOS-1n), what's the fate of the

other (EOS-5)? I guess we'll find out soon enough. I'm just looking

for an E-TTL body with a tight spotmeter, a grip that will take AA

batteries and the same controls as the VG-10 (and hopefully won't

cost a small fortune).

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Although I'm not a Canon user, I've been waiting to see what Canon's

response would be to Nikon's F5 (as has everyone else, I'm sure).

While the introduction of the new EOS 1V will bring some badly lacking

features to the Canon body lineup (computer link and at least the

availability to shoot at a higher frame rate---up to 10 fps, for

example), I really feel the whole introduction of this body is rather

anticlimatic. Please, here me out...

 

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Many of these features that are being made available to Canon users

with this body have been available now to Nikon users (via the F5) for

over FOUR years now! Canon's only reply by introducing the 1V seems

to be just getting the Canon body options up to where Nikon has been.

Please be patient with me, I'm not trying to rip on Canon users--you

have a LOT of VERY NICE lenses and features available to you. My

point is the following: Canon has had over FOUR YEARS to contemplate

the Nikon Flagship body--to disect it, test it, find its flaws, find

its strong points--and all it has to offer in the 'new' 1V is

basically a souped up EOS3 with many badly lacking features that Nikon

has already had available as well as a "we now offer the fastest*

framing rate camera" (*under certain conditions only) by presenting a

framing rate of 10 fps body. In my opinion, Canon has just passed up

a prime opportunity to beat Nikon hands down in the line of

photographic equiptment.

 

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I say that Canon has passed up this opportunity because they haven't

implemented major new advances for the photographic world in this new

body. I was really hoping to see truely new technology being made

available for the photographer to utilize. When the Nikon F5 was

released, it DID revolutionize camera bodies, with its speed, AF

system, 3D COLOR matrix metering (still no attempt to further or

perfect that technology Canon?), computer interface, etc.. Canon, you

were foolish to let Nikon live in this case. Your opportunity was

ripe and you chose to glide. Perhaps I would have converted at the

introduction of a truely revolutionizing body to match your excellent

lens lineup. However, Nikon seems to finally be introducing lenses

that not only admit that they (Nikon)have been lazy in the lens

department, but are making an attempt to further the technology

(specifically Image Stabilization in this case) available to

photographers--not just following. An example of this can be seen

in the fact that Nikon is claiming an additional stop of

hand-holdability over the Canon lenses. Nikon seems to truely be

following in the lens department--however, at least they are trying to

wisely improve upon the innovations that Canon is offering. I can't,

with any confidence, say the same regarding Canon in regard to the new

1V body.

 

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To date, Canon has only made an attempt to 'one-up' (basically

one-feature at a time) Nikon's revolutionizing body. For example, EOS

3's supposed faster and more sure footed autofocus acquisition speed

(when limiting the F5's framing rate to the same as the EOS 3's)--as

reported by MR. Kwok's comparison article between the two (My question

to Mr. Kwok (that he wouldn't post on his review site)--Is the F5

REALLY operating at its full capacity when you purposefully slow down

its framing rate--after all, with a higher framing rate, less focus

adjustment would need to be made in between frames, so how on earth

can you say that the hit rate percentage of the Nikon (NOT operating

in optimized conditions) is accurate and claim those victories for

Canon?) over the F5? Anyway, my challenge to the Canon Corporation:

Introduce something revolutionizing in terms of camera bodies and

convince ALL Nikon users to make the switch. Don't think that finally

introducing features like a metal body, fast(er?) film advance rate,

and a computer linking interface, are revolutionary--their not, their

merely reactionary! Canon user's, you have a lot going for you in

terms of an overall system but, if I were in your shoes, I'd feel

awefully let down. Demand a truely revolutionizing body that will

stun ALL photographers--Nikon did it 4 years ago, proving it is

possible. Technology has come a long way in the last four years, why

hasn't Canon utilized it in their Bodies? Sean

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Oh my god, Sean,

please stay cool and don't start again these endless wars on camera

equipment. It is just too ridiculous to calim that Canon is not

innovative (eg: quick-control dial, IS, 45 Autofocus points) which

were actually copied by Nikon, the first too at least.

Of course and hopefully there will always be advantages of both

systems (Nikon: better viewfinder, maybe flash, matrix meter) as this

keeps up competition and hopefully Canon NEVER introduces a body which

will make all Nikon users switch.

A ludicrous asumption anyway as tastes vary in people.

So please don't get that emotional.

Happy shooting with your excellent F5 :-)

Cheers Michael

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Michael, forgive me if my emotions bled through slightly... ;-)

 

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To ALL: I am NOT trying to start another Canon vs. Nikon War: I hope

that was clear enough through my complimentary attitude towards the

things that Canon has done well. I also do (and did, I thought)

acknowledge that Canon is indeed an innovative company. Therein lies

my disappointment with the release of this body: The photographic

world has waited for over 4 years for the release of this new body and

Canon has already proven (as you pointed out Michael) that it is

indeed innovative, when it wants to be. My comments relating to

technological strategy (implied in my position) are not unfounded but

come from an understanding of what it means to lead, follow and be an

outsider in terms of technological development and management from the

standpoint of business or entreprenuer.

 

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My only point was that I, for one, was disappointed to see this

opportunity for major technological advancement pass by with such

passivity. Oh well, perhaps Nikon will glide as well whenever the F6

is released--we all know that wouldn't be a first! ;-)

 

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Take care and don't take my statements as personal attacks--we are all

in the same photographic boat together, after all. I really believe

that one of the two brands is not better than the other: they just

offer different tools for us to use! Sean

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Hi Sean,

I am quite relieved to hear your explanations, probably I have gotten

you a bit wrong.

As a matter of fact, I also think that Canon could have made a better,

a more innovative statement.

It seems so, that according to their opinion polls with professionals

around the world, they (the pro's) preferred a more "conservative"

body. Canon seems to have laid their priority on the development of an

even more durable camera and the catch-up with Nikon with this link

software and film advance speed.

As a user of the EOS3, I really don't see much sense in buying this

camera.

On the other hand, it has been Canon politics since the EOS5 to test

new developments in the higher end consumer bodies and take only the

most reliable parts along to the pro bodies.

Judging from the sales of the 3 many Canon professionals have probably

waited for the pro version of the 3 to be released.

Nice though is this new button which serve to save a certain cluster

of AF-points and then quickly returns to them.

BTW, a really nice, though often overlooked feature of the 3 and the

1V is the new shutter which almost doesn't consume energy during long

exposures.

Much more interesting for me personally is the new ring-light EX1,4

and the new 100 USM Macro now coming with a dedicated tripod mount.

Let's just hope, that Canon caught up a bit with NIkon on the

viewfinder, which is for spectacle-wearers still far superior in

Nikon.

Cheers

Michael

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Michael,

Thank you for stating for me the design criteria that Canon had

established when setting out to design the new 1V. Given that

criteria, I believe Canon did an acceptable job of meeting the design

objectives (what engineers term to be constraints). Hopefully camera

manufacturers will use professionals' input as mere guidance (they

probably do already) and not as actual design constraints. The

problem with using professionals' input as constraints is that the

constraints are usually limited to what the professional has seen

already--thus potentially limiting creativity and innovation. I am

not certain, but this may be a case of setting constraints too tightly

formed around what the professionals requested? What do you think?

 

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Also note, I don't think that the EOS 1V is a failure, just not the

revolution that I was hoping to see. Regards, Sean

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Hi Sean,

well, I am not so sure about the limited creativity through opinion

polls of pros.

I just remember the for long years ongoing discussions of german

professional nature-photogs about a zoom 200-600mm f/4,5.

Of course the industry still hasn't fulfilled this wish/need but many

others the pros haven't dreamt yet about (IS, matrix meter).

I guess, that Canon will come up in 2 years with a new body (3n??)

which will have revolutionary specs like the 3 had in 1999 or was it

98?

Lets just get surprised.

Michael

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I am a Nikon user, so I known I am committing heresy. I think EOS 1V

is an entirely adaquate reply to the F5. Sure it may not blow the F5

clean out of the water, but from what I've read, it is certainly a

worthy, perhaps threatening, competitor to the F5. Sure, Nikon might

be able to tweek the F5 to get 10FPS as well, but Canon has it now.

From the sound of it, EOS1V's focus at the very least match F5's in

performance and probably exceeds the later in versatility. Sure,

Nikon is solid aluminum and EOS1V only has a magnesium shell

surrounding a plastic chassis. But find one person who has even

anecdotal evidence that the EOS1N wasn't tough enough.

It seems to me the much touted color metering is more desirable in

theory than practice. No one has shown me any evidence, let alone

proof that the 1003 segment matrix color meter produce better

exposures in a statistically significant fraction of pictures when

compared to my N90s' 8 segment black and white meter. So I don't

see how not having the color meter is a disadvantage, except to those

who perfers to boast about their camera's features rather than

actually use them.

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We can't really compare this newest EOS flagship body to Nikon or even

the EOS 3 based only on press releases, hyperbole, and the like! The

proving grounds will be real world shooting experience with this new

camera, not in press releases. From what I've read in the past, the

main advantage of Nikon's advanced metering system is its ability to

frequently "know" when exposure compensation is appropriate (for

example, when shooting a black cat in a coal bin, or a polar bear in a

snow field). I suspect that the ability of the Nikon cameras to

"see" color may not be nearly as useful as its ability to see

shades of gray in a very clever manner. After reading most of Canon's

press releases on the EOS 1v, I note that Canon is claiming that the

improved evaluative metering algorithm is now reliably capable of

this, but only experience with this camera will tell if this is true.

(Why hell, in my experience Canon's P mode often did a fairly decent

job of this, and I've ruined a number of shots by trying to second

guess an A2 or 1n in some situations, when using P mode...). In

addition, I personally don't recall reading or hearing of the Nikon F5

AF tracking system being superior to higher-end EOS gear, and in fact

I seem to recall many accounts of the EOS gear often performing better

in this regard. It may well be that Canon engineers and Canon

sponsored pro shooters eventually dismissed Nikon's concept of "color"

metering in favor of more sophisticated "gray" metering. Unlike the

Nikon F5, which offers several redundant manual vs. electronic

operating features such as film rewind or advance, Canon continues to

design entirely electronic cameras--simply put: no electronic power,

no pictures.

 

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In summary, I believe it is very unfair for anyone ("Nikonite" or

otherwise) to suggest to us "Canonites" that we should feel let-down

or somehow robbed, just because the initial PRESS RELEASES of the 1v

do not, in aggregate, constitute a point-for-point one-upmanship with

respect to the Nikon body. (I believe I possibly detect some panic,

insecurity, and "sour grapes" type thinking among at least one

Nikonite here...). I believe the EOS 1v will prove to be a stellar

camera.

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I did not really expect from Canon to work very hard to introduce a

camera that would challenge F5; because biggest threat for Canon's

market share comes not from F5 but from D1. Canon is probably busy

with building a digital SLR with more features and pixels than D1,

may be with a truly 35mm CCD.

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Just a small contribution to this discussion, from an EOS 1n user's

perspective.

1. Thumbs up for Canon for resisting the tentation of introducing a

flagship camera overloaded with geezwhiz tech spec that would prove

either redundant or useless.

2. You have to admire them to maintain the development philosophy

started with the EOS 1 in 1989. Test new technology in the second in

line body, and then only transfer the truly useful advances, based on

input from a broad base of professional photographers.

3. It is ridiculous to say that they are not innovative. 100 %

electronic lens mount, USM, IS, autofocus up to f/8. IMO, much more

important than color matrix metering.

4. Thumbs down for the weight of the camera, the 1N is tough enough

already.

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