No Words forum

Hi, folks,

 

Over the past few weeks, I have noticed that more and more frequently comments are being posted to the No Words Forum. I know I am by no means innocent of this myself, but it occurs to me that when we do so, it creates extra work for the Moderators (on whom may the Sun forever shine), and I feel they have their work cut out merely keeping the site running to the best of their ability, without having to monitor other activities.

 

May I suggest that we all attempt to keep to the Rules clearly posted in the Forum ?

 

Thanks for reading.

 

Tony

I think that since the owners of the site have largely abandoned or ignored us for so long, we are free to let it evolve. Nobody is watching, nobody cares.

There are many times I would enjoy adding a comment. I generally manage to refrain from doing so. If the incentive is there for a very good photo, a PM will do. The more we let things break down through behaviors we can control the worse it will get.

I think that since the owners of the site have largely abandoned or ignored us for so long, we are free to let it evolve. Nobody is watching, nobody cares.

Seems a juvenile attitude. “If Big Daddy isn’t watching, I can get away with it.”

 

Words in No Words has been much discussed over the years and the distinct consensus in all those discussions is to keep it free of commentary other than brief introductions where desired.

 

It’s got nothing to do with site administration and more to do with respecting your mates and the essence of the forum.

I have noticed that more and more frequently comments are being posted to the No Words Forum

Usually, a quick personal message to Walt, who you can contact by clicking on his name (WJT) at the top of the list of No Words threads (he posted the first thread explaining No Words guidelines) will result in his deleting the text in question. The No Words forum cleans up nicely and Walt appreciates being notified so he can stay on top of it.

“If Big Daddy isn’t watching, I can get away with it.”

That's been my position throughout my life.

I think that since the owners of the site have largely abandoned or ignored us for so long, we are free to let it evolve. Nobody is watching, nobody cares.

 

People (forum members, at any rate) DO care, as evidenced by some of the responses here. It is said that a Picture is worth a thousand words, and, as Sandy says, a PM is more appropriate to convey approbation of an image, or possibly starting a thread in Casual Conversations if input is acceptable from others. I shall endeavour to follow this as 'Best Practice'.

I think that since the owners of the site have largely abandoned or ignored us for so long, we are free to let it evolve. Nobody is watching, nobody cares.

I care. The rules are not there for the sake of owners.

The highway code is for our defense, not that of the authorities .. !

The highway code is for our defense, not that of the authorities .. !

When was the last time you drove 25 mph in a 25 mph zone?

When was the last time you drove 25 mph in a 25 mph zone?

What's that got to do with the selfishness of not abiding by a forum's clear guidelines, one which has been operating successfully for so many years, simply using it as asked and as most others do and as most others continue to want the forum to be? John Peri's was an analogy. Don't make it so literal. Let's not change the subject to your driving habits. Just follow the guidelines of the forum or start a conversation you want to have elsewhere.

You're the one who brought up traffic...

No, Sanford, it was John Peri who brought up traffic. Not to discuss traffic but to make a point about community cooperation. If traffic doesn’t work for you think of something else where cooperation, rather than authority, is good practice. Don’t use traffic, though, or any example to deflect from what you’re trying to undermine for the rest of us.

the worse it will get

 

or perhaps the "better it will get" A picture of a domestic animal may require literally "no words" but it sure is nice to give identifications of wild animals and plants, artists of works of art, architects of buildings, contact information for attractive persons (joking), and the like;)

 

I sorta understand the reasoning behind the restriction, but think explanatory information makes pictures meaningful and interesting.

 

Are we running out of bandwidth? Is there a shortage of kilobytes? Is anyone forced to read the few lines of text?:eek:

Edited March 26, 2021 by JDMvW

or perhaps the "better it will get"

 

I understand the reasoning behind the restriction, but think explanatory information makes it all more meaningful and interesting.

 

Are we running out of bandwidth? Is there a shortage of kilobytes?:eek:

If you are going to quote me, have the courtesy to present the entire text. Using excerpts is a tactic. If people want to change No Words, still quite popular, suggest you and those who agree present a proposal to WJT and the other Moderator / Administrators.

The more we let things break down through behaviors we can control the worse it will get.

 

OK there you go. Is this really a crisis for P.net? Why is such control necessary? Who does it serve?

 

 

Maybe just change the forum title to "few words"?:rolleyes:

but think explanatory information makes pictures meaningful and interesting.

Why don't you read the guidelines WJT wrote that are in the thread at the top of the No Words forum? It will educate you.

A sentence or two regarding how you made the photo, the technique, or about the subject is permitted, however discussions and comments about the submissions are not allowed in this forum.

If people want to change No Words

It's simply evolving as anything "living" has to do.

Everyone will be nice again once we all get that injection ..

or perhaps the "better it will get" A picture of a domestic animal may require literally "no words" but it sure is nice to give identifications of wild animals and plants, artists of works of art, architects of buildings, contact information for attractive persons (joking), and the like;)

 

I sorta understand the reasoning behind the restriction, but think explanatory information makes pictures meaningful and interesting.

 

Are we running out of bandwidth? Is there a shortage of kilobytes? Is anyone forced to read the few lines of text?:eek:

I understand the no words idea was to prevent the threads from becoming endless discussions about the images - often the case on other forums.

A short entrance before the image can IMO be ignored easily & can help make the image more interesting.

 

I usually come across threads via the 'new posts' option where the no words listing is not obvious. because of this in my early days on the forum I replied to some with comments.:oops: I suspect this restriction has reduced the time I spend on this forum, as some discussion on images is something that helps my photography evolve.

 

As has been said, discussion of images can easily take place via other, clearly defined, avenues. Locations, species etc identification and other relevant comments By The OP, On The Original Post are catered for in the Forum introduction, as kindly pointed out by Samstevens, and using this to justify the bending, manouevering or breaking of the guidelines is unacceptable, in my view.

 

Evolution has been mentioned - as I understand it, Evolution is the adaptation by a species to meet changing conditions. This surely is the opposite of the current situation - we are attempting to discuss whether the aforementioned conditions require changing.

 

There is also the aspect that 'No Words' is a forum wherein the images can be posted to stand by themselves (not, of course, that it would ever happened in such a polite, well-regulated community as Photo.Net, but this does mean that any irrelevant personal comments are not posted), which I feel may be one of the reasons for the Rules / Guidelines / Restrictions (delete whichever you wish), to let the less-confident among us post images they wish to share, with no risk of adverse comment.

 

Do not, also, forget the 'Like' facility, which enables encouragement to be given to the OP, whether for the subject matter or the technique of the image.

kindly pointed out by Samstevens

Thank you, my good man.:)

Locations, species etc identification and other relevant comments By The OP, On The Original Post are catered for in the Forum introduction,

This is true, but incomplete. It is not limited to the OP. Any participant may say a few words about their own photo, by way of giving certain types of introductory information. Note how often that’s been done and it’s not a problem. The problem is responding to or commenting on others’ photos. The relevant guideline, in living color this time.

 

“A sentence or two regarding how you made the photo, the technique, or about the subject is permitted, however discussions and comments about the submissions are not allowed in this forum.”

—WJT

the 'Like' facility, which enables encouragement to be given to the OP, whether for the subject matter or the technique of the image.

... or as a knee-jerk reaction, or to let everyone know you’ve been there, or to get a few in return for yourself, or to exclude folks you don’t like regardless of their photos. So many options and then some, but, yes, LIKE is an available response mechanism.;)

@samstevens said :

 

Thank you, my good man.:)

 

This is true, but incomplete. It is not limited to the OP. Any participant may say a few words about their own photo, by way of giving certain types of introductory information. Note how often that’s been done and it’s not a problem. The problem is responding to or commenting on others’ photos. The relevant guideline, in living color this time.

 

“A sentence or two regarding how you made the photo, the technique, or about the subject is permitted, however discussions and comments about the submissions are not allowed in this forum.”

—WJT

 

<snip> (to indicate that this is merely a partial quote of the posting referenced)

 

Sorry, @samstevens, mayhap I was unclear in my comment, or my interpretation of the rules. I intended to indicate that comments by the OP of that particular image, at the time they made the post (or within the edit window) were acceptable, and indeed often essential, for explanation or other relevant purposes. By its very nature, this must surely apply to, and be limited to, the OP of the image in question, not the originator of the thread in the forum.

 

Apologies for any unintentional obfuscation.

the OP of that particular image

Ahh, got it. I generally think of OP as the person who starts the thread. Thus, my misunderstanding. Thanks for the clarification.

I reckon this thread goes against the rules (spirit) of NW threads but what should I do? I don’t want people thinking I’m a grass if I contact Walt.

 

Shot with an old lens or old body or both

 

 

Perchance thou canst explain the reasoning behind thy objection, prithee ? Egad, milady, 'tis interesting, instructing and informative to view results obtainable with equipment dating from prior to mine own natal day. If 'twere not for this demonstration of skills and ability, much would be treated as mere dusty museum pieces, given a brief glimpse prior to moving on - and none of the 'modern' items we now use could exist without the technology and knowledge base upon which to build.

 

'C'est magnifique, mais ca n'est pas Daguerre'.