ECN-2 Film Question

Hello,

 

I was thinking about trying some of the Kodak Vision3 250D film that is ECN-2 process, and if I like it I might buy a 100 ft. roll and load it into cassettes myself.

 

When I'm shooting with my Nikon F6, I like to use the option to imprint shooting data between the frames. What I'm wondering is if the imprinting function of the camera can penetrate the remjet layer on the film?

 

Thanks

Try it and see.

 

The chances of someone else reading this that owns an F6 and using Kodak Vision 3, are slim.

 

There's always the option of a notebook and pencil for data-gathering!

Edited February 18, 2021 by rodeo_joe|1

Try it and see.

 

The chances of someone else reading this that owns an F6 and using Kodak Vision 3, are slim.

 

There's always the option of a notebook and pencil for data-gathering!

You are the only one who has responded so I guess I'll have to wait until I try a roll to find out.

 

My question isn't exclusive to the F6, it would apply to any camera that has a data back that can imprint on the film.

My question isn't exclusive to the F6, it would apply to any camera that has a data back that can imprint on the film.

Most data backs imprint within the actual frame area, and that naff 'fad' went in and out of fashion in the 1980s -1990s.

I'd ask Kodak themselves:

 

Kodak

 

There's something to be said for making notes that can't go astray from the film. However you find out, please report back; it would be interesting to know.

Kodachrome had a remjet layer didn't it? I looked briefly for references to that with a databack. Databacks were a minority item, but Kodachrome wasn't, so I thought I'd find something if they didn't work together. I haven't found anything, but this thread at photrio talks about cameras (like the F6) that can expose a data frame with which you can ID the roll.:

 

On the topic of Kodachrome

 

One guy says he was always impressed that Wayne's would return that frame to him. Again, I think if data imprinting didn't work with Kodachrome, I think it would have come up in that thread, but it's not a definitive yes either.

Good luck!

In fact, it's in the camera manual, page 136 'Notes on imprinting data' that you should set the imprint density to +1 or +2 if you're using Kodachrome 64 or 200, because of the low sensitivity of those films when exposed from behind. So I would guess you could do the same with your cine film.

Most data backs imprint within the actual frame area, and that naff 'fad' went in and out of fashion in the 1980s -1990s.

It doesn't matter if it's in the frame or between the frame, it works the same way. The F6 can do both, it can also save all the exif data to internal memory to be retrieved later. In any case your reply has zero relevance to answering the question of whether or not the imprint can penetrate the remjet layer of the cinema film.

I'd ask Kodak themselves:

 

Kodak

 

There's something to be said for making notes that can't go astray from the film. However you find out, please report back; it would be interesting to know.

Kodachrome had a remjet layer didn't it? I looked briefly for references to that with a databack. Databacks were a minority item, but Kodachrome wasn't, so I thought I'd find something if they didn't work together. I haven't found anything, but this thread at photrio talks about cameras (like the F6) that can expose a data frame with which you can ID the roll.:

 

On the topic of Kodachrome

 

One guy says he was always impressed that Wayne's would return that frame to him. Again, I think if data imprinting didn't work with Kodachrome, I think it would have come up in that thread, but it's not a definitive yes either.

Good luck!

I did see the thread you linked to while I was searching. I guess Kodachrome was the exact same film in both cinema and still photography versions, and it did have the remjet. The question to find out is if the remjet layer on the newer film is more dense or not?

 

In fact, it's in the camera manual, page 136 'Notes on imprinting data' that you should set the imprint density to +1 or +2 if you're using Kodachrome 64 or 200, because of the low sensitivity of those films when exposed from behind. So I would guess you could do the same with your cine film.

 

I just looked at the manual and yes, there it is on page 136!

 

I could call Kodak and ask, but I'm planning to buy a roll of this film to test and see if I like it before buying bulk. I'll test the data imprinting with different settings and see what happens. I'll report back but it might be a couple weeks.

Have an F6, and regularly use ECN-2 film. I'll have to turn on the between-frame imprinting and test. My guess would be that it won't punch through the remote - or would but be extremely faint? Thinking the data back lcd is probably very dim so as not to blow out and halate the surrounding image.