Photoshop Elements 2018/Windows 10 issue

All moot of course. What you got, what you think you got; LR 6 was never a free upgrade from LR 5 as shown and proven from Adobe. LR 6 isn't available any longer; to purchase a license OR to subscribe.

 

Here's what you wrote, it's incorrect.

 

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Upgrades (5.7 to 6) no. There's a significant differences between updates and upgrades.

Gerald Cafferty is on 5.7.1; he can't upgrade for free to LR 6. He can't even get LR 6. Full stop. :D

 

Dot releases (UPDATES) for LR 6 (or any actual version of a perpetual license) were free.

Upgrades to from major perpetual versions (LR 5 to 6) were NEVER free.

Subscribers of LR 6 are subscribers and anyone from that day forward got major upgrades and dot releases (called updates) as part of the subscription. Such people today would be working with LR 10.1.

Your experience doesn't aid Gerald Cafferty whatsoever based on your assumption he wants to or can upgrade from LR 5.7 to LR 6 for free. Not possible sir.

I did say I think you can upgrade from LR5 to LR6 for free. That's what I thought when I wrote it. That's why I said I think. I wasn't positive. In any case, after your post, I researched my files. I saw I paid 79 for the upgrade. And yes the updates of LR6 were free. Thanks for clarifying that point and the differences between upgrades and updates. In any case, as you say, it's all moot now and Adobe is doing whatever they;re doing.

I would just like to add that Gerald Cafferty is/was fully aware of his situation regarding upgrades and updates:cool:

I'm glad my post didn't steer your wrong. :)

I did say I think you can upgrade from LR5 to LR6 for free.

And now that you've got the facts, facts you didn't really check before posting, we can move on.

In any case, after your post, I researched my files. I saw I paid 79 for the upgrade. And yes the updates of LR6 were free. Thanks for clarifying that point and the differences between upgrades and updates.

Glad I could aid in to your understanding of the differences.

In any case, as you say, it's all moot now and Adobe is doing whatever they;re doing.

What they are doing in this respect and more, easily investigated, useful prior to posting........

I'm glad my post didn't steer your wrong. :)

That's why fact checkers exist. And facts. ;)

And going a bit on topic; seems the GoFundMe for Frans has only generated $10. :(

What they are doing in this respect and more, easily investigated, useful prior to posting........

I think many people consider asking questions in Internet forums to be a form of modern-day investigation. Many asking such questions assume that others may have had the time and inclination to do more research than they've done, from which they can benefit. Thankfully, anyone who thinks the questions frivolous or unworthy has the option not answer. I notice that questions are as often meant to generate conversation and possibly lead in directions that wouldn't even have occurred to the questioner to research. As so many threads go off into all sorts of related topics, the guy willing to ask the question is often just the spark.

I agree Sam. But what question about LR updates/upgrades were made in this thread, and then incorrectly answered?

I often use "The Google Machine" :D to at least check several resources I trust (in this case, Adobe's) before asking and often answering questions.

At least Alan now understands how updates and upgrades, specifically from Adobe, actually work.

I often use "The Google Machine" :D to at least check several resources I trust

Off topic, I know, but:

Better yet, use the DuckDuckGo Machine to get similar information without being constantly tracked. And just adding !g before a search will get you the Google search if you decide you prefer it.

DuckDuckGo can now be made the default search engine in the browsers I use.

At least Alan now understands how updates and upgrades, specifically from Adobe, actually work.

True this.

I spend a fair amount of time (or at least I did until Covid hit) at a residential community for folks with disabilities, where my nephew lives. It's very often the case that conversations I have with my nephew and others are as much about connection, rhythm, and abstract expression as they are about substance. It sometimes becomes its own kind of music. I think of many Internet threads as similar, though not always as pleasant—as much about a desire for virtual connection having a distinct rhythm as about facts. Seen in that light, like photography itself in so many ways, it's a matter of sharing ... regardless of what, in particular is shared. And just like with a musicians' instruments, our voices can be tuned.

And now that you've got the facts, facts you didn't really check before posting, we can move on.

 

Glad I could aid in to your understanding of the differences.

 

What they are doing in this respect and more, easily investigated, useful prior to posting........

 

 

That's why fact checkers exist. And facts. ;)

And going a bit on topic; seems the GoFundMe for Frans has only generated $10. :(

I'm not a research specialist for people asking questions here. Forums are a form of conversation. If I'm having a face-to-face conversation with someone and say "I think", then the listener can go spend his time to perfect my answer. I've put him or her on notice that I'm not 100% sure of my answer. If I'm sure, I leave out the I think. I don't stop the conversation and go check Wikipedia to verify everything I say before I say it. I always read others' posts with a grain of salt as well. This isn't a test, a research paper, or sworn testimony at a trial. No one converses like that face-to-face nor should we expect that here either. Plus, even when we think we're sure, we all make mistakes. To start an argument over it or use it to criticize others just turns everyone off to the forum.

I'm not a research specialist for people asking questions here. Forums are a form of conversation.

Technical conversations, especially those off topic, should be somewhat researched by novices before posting. What you thought about LR 5.7 to LR6 upgrades was both OT and incorrect. Hence the fact check. Maybe slow down before clicking on "Post Reply" button and ask yourself, is what I wrote based on an actual understanding of technically correct data, or just something you believe. On a site about religion, your beliefs are OK. On a site about digital imaging, it's not. But thankfully for you, here and on LuLa, there are those technically savvy who can identify what's accurate and what's a belief san's any facts.

I don't stop the conversation and go check Wikipedia to verify everything I say before I say it.

If it's your personal beliefs, fine. If you're posting here something that is easily fact checked and you don't, then you're going to get posts from people who KNOW and will correct you. It's kind of a waste of time for both parties. Thank you for your future endeavors to post correct data in a technical discussion.

To start an argument over it or use it to criticize others just turns everyone off to the forum.

This isn't an argument!

"An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition". -Monty Python

There's nothing to argue about in terms of your thoughts that "LR 5.7 to 6 is free"; it's not.

It's kind of a waste of time for both parties.

Well, never mind the other party. Why, though, are you knowingly wasting your time? I suspect, on some level, you don't think you are. Which opens the possibility that Alan doesn't think he is. Thus, the lengthy back and forth.

I think that at the end of the day correcting misinformation and questioning what we think we know as a habit of mind is incredibly important.

Adam Conover

Technical conversations, especially those off topic, should be somewhat researched by novices before posting. What you thought about LR 5.7 to LR6 upgrades was both OT and incorrect. Hence the fact check. Maybe slow down before clicking on "Post Reply" button and ask yourself, is what I wrote based on an actual understanding of technically correct data, or just something you believe. On a site about religion, your beliefs are OK. On a site about digital imaging, it's not. But thankfully for you, here and on LuLa, there are those technically savvy who can identify what's accurate and what's a belief san's any facts.

 

If it's your personal beliefs, fine. If you're posting here something that is easily fact checked and you don't, then you're going to get posts from people who KNOW and will correct you. It's kind of a waste of time for both parties. Thank you for your future endeavors to post correct data in a technical discussion.

 

This isn't an argument!

"An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition". -Monty Python

There's nothing to argue about in terms of your thoughts that "LR 5.7 to 6 is free"; it's not.

Thanks for your opinion.

I think that at the end of the day correcting misinformation and questioning what we think we know as a habit of mind is incredibly important.

 

Adam Conover

Yes. Precisely why it doesn’t seem like a “waste of time.”

In this case, though, I’d say a misunderstanding was being corrected rather than “misinformation.”

At the end of the day, the only way one gets to correct misunderstanding is for someone else to be willing to be vulnerable enough to engage in conversation and offer what incomplete or non-expert knowledge they have, which might then either be “corrected” or, in some instances ... and here one may want to gasp ... offered an alternative view.

I did ask right off the bat of Alan: What gave you that idea (”I think you can upgrade to LR 6 at no cost.”) along with the facts. As I've seen often in the past, rather than a “Thank you for the correct information, I was misunderstanding the process” or something along those lines, push back. On facts anyone else could easily verify. And one person here did. Kinda sad environment IMHO.

As MTG said last week without much conviction “I was allowed to believe things that were not true.” Poor woman didn't have facts and facts for some are important and are/can be take seriously.

Indeed, believing upgrades are free and passing through such falsehoods is far less damaging than spreading Q-nonsense. Yet falsehoods should be uncovered. They spread. Like the poster who wrote in a digital imaging forum “all prints are 300 DPI.” What are readers who know even less than the person writing that to accept as fact, what if they then propagate such misinformation to others?

Indeed, while work that should be unnecessary and often a waste of time better spent; some feel strongly it's a necessary duty.

I have nothing more to add (OT) about misunderstanding that become misinformation.

Yeah!!!

I have nothing more to add: About Alan's misunderstandings of updates and upgrades.

I'll add Frans, expect for myself, no one on either forum has contributed to your GoFundMe account for you UPGRADE to Elements. :(

Maybe if you provided an image, people would find the need to support your efforts in image processing.

I have nothing more to add

Yeah!!!

Indeed, believing upgrades are free and passing through such falsehoods is far less damaging than spreading Q-nonsense.

Yes. So important to recognize proportionality and context.

And, again, I think there’s an important distinction to be made between “falsehoods” and misunderstandings. Especially if we’re concerned with accuracy.

Or I need to find a way to stop the notifications, please don't tell me that's not a question requiring an answer:(

Click “Unwatch Thread” above to the right.

You better jump on this bud, your GoFundMe isn't getting any love, something I can understand:

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