jamesjewell Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Hi All! I just developed a roll of Ilford HP5 in XTOL 1+1, and scanned it with a DSLR, and each negative has thousands of little dark spots on them. It is not dust (cleaned the negatives with pec pads and fluid to be shure). It is not air bubbles, as far as I can tell. I mix all my chemicals with distilled water, and do a final rinse with distilled water and photoflo. I use Patterson tanks. I almost always use rodinal in a semi-stand method and have never had this problem. The only thing that changed was using xtol. I did use tap water for a pre-rinse. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodeo_joe1 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Almost certainly due to insufficient mixing of the Xtol powder. The spots are mainly absent in the shadow areas and greatest in the higher image densities. Therefore the spots were developed onto the film, and this can only have been from undissolved developer powder in suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesjewell Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 Almost certainly due to insufficient mixing of the Xtol powder. The spots are mainly absent in the shadow areas and greatest in the higher image densities. Therefore the spots were developed onto the film, and this can only have been from undissolved developer powder in suspension. Joe, Thank you for that. Do you have any advice on mixing XTOL? I went to town on that mixture with a power drill and paint-mixer attachment for many minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conrad_hoffman Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 I've always liked magnetic stirrers for chemistry. You can often find them cheap used. Set right, they don't put air in the mix and you can give things a good long stir. I have to wonder if stand development made the problem worse because the particles never got moved around on the film. I don't think anybody recommends a pre-rinse these days. Back when I was doing film I had so many problems with Xtol that I gave up on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodeo_joe1 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Thank you for that. Do you have any advice on mixing XTOL? How long did you let it stand before use? The alternative explanation is contamination of the developer by rust or aluminium particles. Any chance of that, or in your pre-soak water? WRT a pre-soak: usually totally unnecessary, unless you're using a rotary system like a Jobo machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen_h Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 From the directions: J-109_Feb_2018.pdf you are supposed to slowly add part A while stirring until completely dissolved. Then slowly add part B. It might be that if you aren't slow enough, or start adding B before A is dissolved, that it doesn't completely dissolve. Sometimes they will finish dissolving if you wait, sometimes not. -- glen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_shriver Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 It could also be silver particles precipitated in the fixer. Take a scrap of unprocessed film, and just go through the fix and wash steps, and see if you get those spots. If you do, at least filter the fixer, or replace it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesjewell Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 FWIW, I developed a roll of ACROS two days later with Ilfotec DD-X and the same stop bath, fixer, and tap-water pre-rinse. No spots whatsoever, so we can eliminate the quality of the tap water and the fixer and stop bath. I'm leaning towards undesolved xtol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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