Mike Gammill Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Greetings all and welcome to our new thread. Post all the images you like from any film camera. I'll start with a few from a roll of Eastman 5222 (aka Double X) that I shot in my Minolta Hi Matic 7S. From balcony (where I run sound board) of my church. We're now allowing limited attendance, but still on the radio and Facebook live. The Hi Matic works well with a Wein cell and I usually leave it to choose exposure via programmed automation. one of several BBQ places in West Point exterior work to another local church. The 45mm f 1.7 delivers sharp results, even when cropped a little as in this photo. This, btw, is my last roll of Eastman 5222 for now. It has gotten too pricey for me. The Ilford films I use are less expensive. I miss the days when I could get 5222 for 5 cents a foot. (short ends) That would make a 100' roll cost five dollars. overcast morning on Main Street One more signs and support structures The Hi Matic claims to have CLC metering, but I'm not sure how that's done with only a single CDS cell. I plan to make a few tests with the next roll I run through this camera. I look forward to seeing everyone's photos. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bryant Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Ogle Cabin, Great Smoky Mountains National Park, USA, 1991. Silver Print Copied with a Nikon D800. Zone VI view camera, Schneider 120mm Super Angulon lens. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bryant Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Ogle Cabin, GSMNP, 1991, Silver Print. Zone VI 4x5 View Camera, Schneider 210 APO-Symmar lens. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bryant Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Crossing Log Cosby Creek, GSMNP, 1991, Silver Print. Zone VI view camera, 120mm lens. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bryant Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Cosby Creek, GSMNP, 1991, Silver Print. Zone VI 4x5 view camera, 120mm lens. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bryant Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Flume for Grist Mill on Roaring Fork Creek, GSMNP, 1991, Silver Print. Zone VI view camera, 120mm lens. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_van_Nooij Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Contax I (v4) with 5cm f/2.8 Tessar + 1.5x Yellow filter, Fomapan 100 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmac Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 The Hi Matic claims to have CLC metering, but I'm not sure how that's done with only a single CDS cell. You might find the answer in this Mike .... "FYI - CLC stands for "Contrast Light Compensation". This is a proprietary trademark Minolta used for their metering system. What it means is that the Minolta metering circuit was designed to give a little bit of bias toward calling for extra exposure when the reading in different parts of the frame varied widely - i.e. it's like an automatic backlight compensation circuit, but it's inherently simplistic in it's execution." Link: what does clc metering mean and what is a cds meter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Gammill Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 Thanks for the link, kmac. I actually participated in that thread so I did a little more research. A quick, but not completely conclusive test for CLC (which not only could provide some backlighting compensation, but also could lessen effects of bright skies in landscape photos) is to compare meter readings with the camera in both horizontal and vertical positions. Averaging or center weighted meters would show little difference most of the time. I haven't thought about testing the 7S that way, but I plan to. Also, I read that a single CDS cell with proper baffles might mimic the CLC results under some conditions (don't quote this yet as I need to go back and find where I read this statement). I would conclude, based on my limited test photos, that the system seems to be more consistent in dealing with backlighting that one of its competitors, the Konica Auto S2. What I would do with the S2 is switch to manual exposure or use the AE lock. More tests coming soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Gammill Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 Okay, here's a link to where I read about the 7S CLC. Minolta Hi-Matic 7s - Camera-wiki.org - The free camera encyclopedia Not always trusting of Wikapedia sites so I leave it up to the reader to decide if the provided explanation is plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m42dave Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Two from the Kowa SETR2, Kowa SER 35/2.8, Kodak ProImage 100 film. Blossoms 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m42dave Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Banners 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmac Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Okay, here's a link to where I read about the 7S CLC. Minolta Hi-Matic 7s - Camera-wiki.org - The free camera encyclopedia Not always trusting of Wikapedia sites so I leave it up to the reader to decide if the provided explanation is plausible. Yep, I read that Wiki site after I posted, it said this: "The Hi-Matic cameras of the 1960s had a single light cell, but nevertheless bore a CLC badge, and the precise nature of the contrast light compensator is unclear." Minolta may have indulged in a bit of false advertising, it's hard to say, but with the 7s having just one cell, the meter may have been adjusted to overexpose slightly. I bought a mint Hi-matic 9 a year ago which I haven't used yet. I'll do some tests with that and check dark shadows for exposure and detail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_ Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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richard_ Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 a couple of weeks ago on a hot afternoon...(argus c3, tx) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m42dave Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) a couple of weeks ago on a hot afternoon...(argus c3, tx) Nice results from the Argus, Richard. It takes sharp pictures. Edited July 16, 2020 by m42dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcelRomviel Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 From my archive: Minolta Himatic 7S (2013) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcelRomviel Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Minolta Himatic 7S (2013) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_drawbridge Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 A great start to the thread, this week! Despite prevailing gloomy weather I managed to shoot a film with a Minolta Alpha 807si wearing a Minolta AF 35-70mm f/4 lens. The film was Arista EDU Ultra 100 developed in Pyrocat HD. Last Light #3 Seeing Double Sphere Last Light Fly Weave 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Bowes Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Kiev-4 / Jupiter-8, UFX 400, Hypercat & V600 scan. Aloha, Bill 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Gammill Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 kmac-a further note on CLC metering. The last Minolta SRT's (production stopped in 1981) only had a single CDS cell. Minolta made the switch without any announcements. The confusing part is that some single CDS models still had the CLC badge. Most single CDS no longer wore the CLC emblem. Possibly, there might be a few CLC bodies that lack the emblem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmac Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 kmac-a further note on CLC metering. The last Minolta SRT's (production stopped in 1981) only had a single CDS cell. Minolta made the switch without any announcements. The confusing part is that some single CDS models still had the CLC badge. Most single CDS no longer wore the CLC emblem. Possibly, there might be a few CLC bodies that lack the emblem. I don't know Mike, I'm just wondering like you are why the 7s and 9 was CLC when they only had one cell. Minolta went quiet about it. Maybe the fact the cell read the drop in light when filters were used, was classed as "contrast" compensation in Minolta's mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Gammill Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 It would be interesting to try one of the last SRT's. My family had a camera shop from 1974 to 1993 and Minolta was one of the brands we stocked. By the time Minolta dropped the CLC badge most of our customers wanted the automatic SLR with add on autowinder and dedicated flash. Our remaining SRT stock still had CLC. I actually bought (from stock) the last SRT 201 we had and I still use it today. Definitely CLC. I remember comparing it to the Minolta XD-5 and XG-7 that I also owned. When held horizontally the SRT favored the lower part of the frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleycloven Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) Let's see if I can properly follow Rick's instructions. Here are the couple I posted improperly last week. These are with a Crown Graphic, and are the first shots for me. FP4+, D76, Epson V800 for all. Mt. Rainier. Fujinon 90mm SWD F5.6, f/22 x 1 Sec., Red 25A filter. Mt Rainier Reflection. 1942 Kodak Ektar 127mm f/4.7, f22 x 1/2 Sec. Edited July 17, 2020 by bradleycloven 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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