A Guide for the Abstracted

"Every Bible I've ever seen has "CROSS." not torture stake"

 

Some folks believe in fairy tales. Sort of makes them happy..

 

The cold reality is the JW cult, has actually used Hebrew text

 

Have a think.

 

Learn.

Edited August 10, 2019 by Allen Herbert

"Constantine was a pagan worshiper of the sun god, and the symbol of this false god was the cross or the letter T, the initial letter of the false god Tammuz. If what Constantine saw in vision was a cross, then it was the sign of his god, for Jesus Christ was not hanged upon a cross but was hanged upon a simple stake.

To do a Phil.

 

Some folks should actually understand what they are talking a F'''K about.

 

Instead of being mouth holes.

Okay, I have just seen a masterpiece, beyond human comprehension.

 

Sold all my cameras and taken up knitting.

Really.

one man has a headache, another blurred vision.

 

Both are caused by the wrong food.

To do a Phil.

 

Some folks should actually understand what they are talking a F'''K about.

 

Instead of being mouth holes.

 

Allen, the phrase "some folks" is quite indeterminate, and renders your pronouncement both ineffective and also meaningless. IF you intended it to refer to me, I would hope that you would have the guts to direct it TO me.

My bad, I forgot for a moment that we should not post others work. Pls remove. I can post a link.

Not to say there is some great abstract/conceptional art/photography. For me, I'm rather fond of Phil's conceptional photography, especially when he adds some narrative-a pointer.

 

One of our own.

" Abstract thinking isn't about believing in fairytales; it's about finding truth in what the tale (regardless of its historical accuracy or not) represents.

 

Truth is in historical accurate truths. Truths, that are not true, belong in the world of fairy tales. Yes, you can them call them symbolic truths Or, whatever. But they are what they are-fairy tales. The Nazi regime used the same symbol as the Hindus. Just symbols.

 

My egg cup represents the holy grail. Sort of feel guilty when I put a egg in in it. and scoff it;)

Edited August 17, 2019 by Allen Herbert

"You're conflating facts with truth. A camera can record facts, but it's up to the photograph(er) to convey truth and irrespective of something being factual or not" Phil.

 

But, Phil; just love the word but. Isn't there always a but. The reality is Phil, a camera records a little instant in time; the only truth is the photographers truth. And as you know, that truth is just their personal interpretation of their perceived truth. And of course this is very much based on the culture upbringing and their personal view on the world.

 

" some pictures will appear as being more truthful than others. Why is that?" Phil.

 

I think "appear" is the operative word.

 

Don't get your vid. Hey, call me thick.

 

Cold factual truth is the bedrock to walk on. Otherwise, we will believe in fairy tales, and the fairy tale will be the bedrock of our truths. You only have to look at the multitude of cults to understand that simple thought.

While all 'straight' in-camera photographs can be said to be equally factual, some pictures will appear as being more truthful than others. Why is that?

Facts are dead. Truth is alive.

"Indeed. And some cultures and some personal views are more truthful than others" Phil.

 

Now who decides that. Lets have a think.

 

Those who think their values are the superior values. Obviously,, they have a personal communication with that bloke upstairs. Stop, lets think, or perhaps, somebody told them so. A Guru bloke..

 

"Facts are dead. Truth is alive" samstevens.

 

Yes, facts are totally irrelevant. Its all about the fairy tale..

Maybe.

 

But, then you have to answer the question, what is the cause of that chaos and destruction.

 

Certainly a lot of chaos and destruction in Europe if we take a little step back in time. A lot more than in any other continent at any time.

 

Your drifting into politics, Phil. Boring.

Yes, facts are totally irrelevant. Its all about the fairy tale..

Not what I said. What’s dead is not irrelevant. My parents are dead and still relevant. So's Peter Fonda. Facts are dead because they are what they are and they're static. Nevertheless, they are, of course, relevant. Truth, especially artistic truth, is alive and often much more relevant and moving.

" Facts are dead because they are what they are and they're static. Nevertheless, they are, of course, relevant. Truth, especially artistic truth, is alive and often much more relevant and moving" samstevens

 

The dead are far from static. They have passed on their culture, believes, which are part of you today-as you will pass them on to your offspring. Today.

 

Let us look a JFK an icon of humanity-humanity cried when he was assassinated .. Now some believe he was Captain America in a state of perfection. The reality was he was a weak and sickly child, who had a serious disease, and during his life, he was what we would call today a drug addict. Add venereal disease.

 

The facts of truth have lifted him far beyond any fairy-tale of Captain America. A man who overcome all, to become the President of the United States of America, and considered one of the greatest of all time.

 

Truths based of facts not fairy tales..

" The collapse of morals and common values I'd say, or, what you'd call "fairytales." England is the first to go down the drain for this very reason. No sense of pride and culture anymore" Phil.

 

I presume you are talking in the context of the Second World War from your previous posts..

 

Great Britain stood alone along with her Commonwealth against the Nazi regime. America, had absolutely no interest in joining another European war. Indeed Roosevelt was elected on that pledge. The Nazi war regime, by passed the French Maginot line, by going through neutral Belgium. Europe was conquered.

 

Winston Churchill became Prime Minister and War Leader. The Tory cabinet was against his promotion, but the Socialist opposition, supported him, and the rest is History.

 

Nazi Germany wanted England to be part of their master race, and Hitler sent his deputy to negotiate . Saxons and Angles, part of the Germanic tribes. Indeed, Germans often refer to the English as Angles.

 

" The collapse of morals and common value" Phil.

 

Really.

 

Learn the facts not the fiction of fairy tales. The facts is where the truth lies. Art or otherwise.

Edited August 21, 2019 by Allen Herbert

Facts are notes on the page. Truth is hearing the music.

Right. A bunch of self-congratulatory elitist authoritarian spineless whining wimps is how I’d describe the Nazi party, and which also happens to be a good description for Antifa and the current far-left growing mainstream. They’re virtually the same.

 

As said the soviet poet dissident Alexander Galich, I believe, about nazi and communist regimes " the any movement to right starts from the left leg"

Cheers.

"Facts are notes on the page. Truth is hearing the music." samstevens.

 

It is interesting how people like to ignore facts and create their own fiction. Their truths based on fiction , and fairy tales. Much like a cult thinking.

 

A composer conceives and writes music by a musical notation system much like writing. This gives them a anchor for their imaginative, and enables others to appreciate that music, and allows them to emulate it through the passage of time. Of course the original conception of that music is based on the creativity and imagination. That creativity comes from previous generations influences,the times they live in, and their own personal struggles and take on the world at that time. It is nice to think that they were blessed with falling star dust, or, inspiration from the divine. The reality is if they born alone on a Island they would not be a Mozart or Shakespeare.

 

Some folk are gifted to perceive the world, and the reality of it more than others. However, their imagination, creativity is very much based on the structure of facts of those who walked before them.

Edited August 22, 2019 by Allen Herbert

Phil, I've never seen anything that can fly with just one wing.

 

I would not argue with your Ivory Tower thought.