Sigma Quattro H ? or Wait?

Since there is no sigma forum, I will put this here.

 

I was really holding out for the sigma full frame mirrorless that is on the way. But now, its a 2020 release date. I have never owned sigma cameras and am not really in the loop on the developments etc

 

I understand literally all the pros/cons of the quatto H that are possible to know without actually using one and it is still my choice, so no need to go there...

 

But perhaps I should wait? What do you think? If you have spent some time following the news on this I would be interested in your thoughts. I have no real pressing need to buy soon really....

 

Will it be the quattro sensor or a merril?

 

Do you think this camera has the ability to blow the quattro out of the water and thus is worth waiting for?

 

Do you think we are looking at Nikon z7 prices here? Eos R or Eos RP?

 

Anyone shooting the quattro H right now and love it so much they would feel no need to upgrade?

 

 

I know camera doesn't matter etc etc etc...but I actually don't have any camera right now, just an eos 1 film camera and a 50mm lens, yashica TLR and a scanner. But film will be medium format now only from here on out. This will be my first digital since about 2010 since I lost the k10d in the river....

 

 

Thanks

I have never owned sigma cameras

lucky man

 

long time Sigma user here, Sigma bodies are alltogether at least questionable,

the only good thing was the Foveon sensor till Merrill, even good photographers used the DP Merrills, the sensor together with the very, very good fixed lenses brought astonishing results, but with Quattro sensor the magic was gone and nobody uses it.

Bringing the new body with a FF Merrill sensor would mean that Quattro alltogether was an error, I doubt Sigma is that great.

So it will be a Quattro, and nobody waits for it, so why you will.

And it will not be cheap, Sigma likes to blame, remember the SD1.

I was really holding out for the sigma full frame mirrorless that is on the way.

Why?

There's an excellent choice of mirrorless bodies out there already, most of which are tried and tested, and with an excellent lens range - including Sigma lenses. So why wait for a 'pig in a poke'?

 

It also appears that Sigma have lost the will or finance to continue development of the Foveon sensor. It's been stuck at an outdated pixel count for some considerable time - and no Sigma, multplying the real pixel count by 3 fools nobody.

Edited March 28, 2019 by rodeo_joe|1

Did you get any insights into the Sigma software's expected performance on your hardware? - I'm no nerd, recalling Luminous Landscape & other reviews of Sigma P&Ss, where they lamented about the software not running on their Mac and also in general... So I'd insist on an insight, how horrible it might be, before I'd buy.

 

I haven't really read up on the current Sigma MILCs. Recalling your "Best 50mm?" thread, where you outed yourself as a low- & twilight shooter I wonder why the Sigma would be a great choice for you. Don't the various Foveon sensors have a reputation to sing at base ISO and that 's all? While you can get an Art lens for it, where is the stabilized fast glass you might need?

 

I fear the FF follow up will be priced EOS RP +66% of the gap towards EOS R + maybe even more. - EOS R is the wrong benchmark; if the insanely high MP EOS arrives Sigma will probably have to stay below it.

 

Upon blowing out of the water: Maybe you get an F-stop, most likely you'll get 1.7x the MP.

I, too, have not really grasped the particular appeal of the Sigma cameras. It is all so scattershot and unpredictable. I find it hard to believe they are making any money on them. I would stick to one of the current big brands. Even the Panasonic S series may well be too late to the market to succeed...and then there is Sigma. It's a mystery why they bother. But, of course, I have never used and discovered the revelation of the Foveon sensor, so this may explain my bafflement.

Did you get any insights into the Sigma software's expected performance on your hardware? - I'm no nerd, recalling Luminous Landscape & other reviews of Sigma P&Ss, where they lamented about the software not running on their Mac and also in general... So I'd insist on an insight, how horrible it might be, before I'd buy.

 

I haven't really read up on the current Sigma MILCs. Recalling your "Best 50mm?" thread, where you outed yourself as a low- & twilight shooter I wonder why the Sigma would be a great choice for you. Don't the various Foveon sensors have a reputation to sing at base ISO and that 's all? While you can get an Art lens for it, where is the stabilized fast glass you might need?

 

I fear the FF follow up will be priced EOS RP +66% of the gap towards EOS R + maybe even more. - EOS R is the wrong benchmark; if the insanely high MP EOS arrives Sigma will probably have to stay below it.

 

Upon blowing out of the water: Maybe you get an F-stop, most likely you'll get 1.7x the MP.

 

I won’t use digital at night. I use provia100f only for that . I like the unpredictable way film renders dark

Why?

There's an excellent choice of mirrorless bodies out there already, most of which are tried and tested, and with an excellent lens range - including Sigma lenses. So why wait for a 'pig in a poke'?

 

It also appears that Sigma have lost the will or finance to continue development of the Foveon sensor. It's been stuck at an outdated pixel count for some considerable time - and no Sigma, multplying the real pixel count by 3 fools nobody.

Ya, the MP is not the the draw really. Don’t assume I’m fooled by something like that.

 

For me, I like the designs. I like that they are awkward and quirky. Other cameras I find boring and have no desire at all to use. I am not spending thousands of dollars on a tool for art that is not even designed with a hint of artistic vision or industrial design asthetic or I’m the least bit excited to pick up and use. Even if it’s perhaps not entirely functional as it could be from a purely ergonomics perspective...but I would much rather buy a camera that is interesting to look at and hold in addition to taking fantastic images. That is the fundamental requirement. Because all cameras are good now, you can’t go wrong, even the sigma won’t be that meaningful different in the grand scheme of things. I just do this for fun, so that is how I separate camera when to me they are the same in every other way on my requirement list. The only other camera I am interested in I think are fuji medium format, the Nikon Df, the zeiss zx1 and the Leica sl....because at least those camera have some suggestion that an artists helped create this tool for art in a way that was a bit unique, not just engineers Mathcimg a hand shape to a camera shape. Although that list is much too expensive for me, with the exception of the used Df...which was at least a nice try haha.

 

I’m used to film cameras so I don’t care if it’s slow.

 

I actually prefer slow. Otherwise I take too many pictures and never look at them.

 

People will always say that if you don’t like to hold your camera or it doesn’t feel great in your hand then you should get something else. Well everyone’s definition of that is not the same. To me I don’t actually care what it feels like... I care that I am using a product that someone obviously was passionate about enough to come up with an out of box design and take the risk. Have you seen the dp Quattros? Amazing

 

 

This is why I was hoping to skip this part. Because literally no one will understand this haha. But fine. If you must attempt to convince me that I don’t like what I like, by all means. :-)

Double post

lucky man

 

long time Sigma user here, Sigma bodies are alltogether at least questionable,

the only good thing was the Foveon sensor till Merrill, even good photographers used the DP Merrills, the sensor together with the very, very good fixed lenses brought astonishing results, but with Quattro sensor the magic was gone and nobody uses it.

Bringing the new body with a FF Merrill sensor would mean that Quattro alltogether was an error, I doubt Sigma is that great.

So it will be a Quattro, and nobody waits for it, so why you will.

And it will not be cheap, Sigma likes to blame, remember the SD1.

Thank you, that is a good perspective. You are right, I am hoping it’s a Merrill sensor. And you are also right in that if it is, the Quattro would be a Mis step

And going back to that best 50mm thread, which unexpectedly exploded on me haha,..I did buy the tamron 45mm in canon mount and it’s great.

 

I will still be keeping that lens and my canon rebel t2 for special case hand held night photography with provia and Tmax 400. Kodak gold 200 I have also been pleasantly surprised with.

 

This is a small insta file, and a bit blurry perhaps at higher mag, but for insta it’s fine and I’m sure this was at 1/3 s or 1/2s. Just to illustrate that combo. I may have been leaning. Tmax 400 @ 400. Perfectly happy with 400iso at night with that set up, if it too dark on top of that, I just put the camera away.

 

Edited March 28, 2019 by richard_golonka

I have to say this very, very quietly, I own a Sigma DP3 Quattro and really like the quality it delivers. It is the most idiosyncratic of designs and it certainly has limitations. At least it is innovative and not just a copy of a DSLR. Funnily it is the safest camera to carry in the hand and shooting is transformed by fitting a BG-11 base. The lens is superb. Sometimes you have to follow your instincts and not listen to internet wisdom from people who have never shot with the Sigma cameras. Paper specifications are not everything, otherwise we would not value our Leicas. All the best, Charles.

With so many excellent mirrorless cameras available and so little information on Sigma’s future plans I really don’t see how this question can be addressed rationally. Maybe next year Sigma will release something amazing, but it would be completely in character and surprise nobody if they ship a 16 mp camera that they refer to as 80 mp, that is only good for one shot every 5 seconds, can only AF in direct sunlight, shoots raw files that can only be processed by a Sigma app that takes 5 minutes to load a frame and crashes half the time, and costs $8000.

 

If you want to shoot mirrorless digital, I can only advise you (based on what’s actually known) to pick from the excellent systems that are actually available for purchase. If Nikon, Canon, Sony and Panasonic are making cameras you think are boring, look at Olympus with their Pen-F and Fuji with their X-Pro. If you want something slow, get an X-Pro1. If you’re not worried about low light, don’t worry about full frame - it’s amazing what they’re doing these days with smaller sensors and fast glass.

With so many excellent mirrorless cameras available and so little information on Sigma’s future plans I really don’t see how this question can be addressed rationally. Maybe next year Sigma will release something amazing, but it would be completely in character and surprise nobody if they ship a 16 mp camera that they refer to as 80 mp, that is only good for one shot every 5 seconds, can only AF in direct sunlight, shoots raw files that can only be processed by a Sigma app that takes 5 minutes to load a frame and crashes half the time, and costs $8000.

 

If you want to shoot mirrorless digital, I can only advise you (based on what’s actually known) to pick from the excellent systems that are actually available for purchase. If Nikon, Canon, Sony and Panasonic are making cameras you think are boring, look at Olympus with their Pen-F and Fuji with their X-Pro. If you want something slow, get an X-Pro1. If you’re not worried about low light, don’t worry about full frame - it’s amazing what they’re doing these days with smaller sensors and fast glass.

you know, sometimes I toy with the idea of the pentax Q haha. Super tiny sensor and camera. Their 60-200 f2.8 equivalent zoom is the size of the a nifty 50, with IBIS. Hows that for some candid street shooting...

But fine. If you must attempt to convince me that I don’t like what I like, by all means.

Not my intention at all.

But how can you like or dislike a camera that doesn't exist yet?

 

There's an old proverb: 'A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.'

Not my intention at all.

But how can you like or dislike a camera that doesn't exist yet?

 

There's an old proverb: 'A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.'

 

 

The biggest problem here is that there is not a single store in my city carries any sigma camera. So I cant even try or rent before buying to decide if I hate it. If they did carry one, it would likely make me buy an RP asap....so really they should. But until that happens I will continue to fantasize about that which I cannot have.

 

It is not for lack of trying that I am unable to know, there is just no way to know, that is out of my control. Yes, the other sigma is not out yet, but it will be, and well, I wont get to try that one out either.

 

So instead I retreat to the dusty corner of my office and foolishly decide to ask the internet what it thinks. Unsurprisingly, it doesn't know either <<<< we are here

The biggest problem here is that there is not a single store in my city carries any sigma camera. So I cant even try or rent before buying to decide if I hate it. If they did carry one, it would likely make me buy an RP asap....so really they should. But until that happens I will continue to fantasize about that which I cannot have.

 

So instead I retreat to the dusty corner of my office and foolishly decide to ask the internet what it thinks. Unsurprisingly, it doesn't know either <<<< we are here

 

Assuming you're in the US, you can actually rent a variety of gear without ever having to leave your office.

 

LensRentals.com - Rent Lenses and Cameras from Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Sony, Leica, and more

Rent a Sigma^^

Assuming you're in the US, you can actually rent a variety of gear without ever having to leave your office.

 

LensRentals.com - Rent Lenses and Cameras from Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Sony, Leica, and more

 

in Canada. Will try to find a rental company.