Ed_Ingold Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) The is a lot of technology behind most works of art. Some chemists had to produce the pigments van Gogh mixed so brilliantly. It took a lot of practical geometry to enable Michelangelo to transfer his sketches to the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. When it comes to art, technology should be a means to an end, not the end itself, but that doesn't mean it can be ignored. You must master the tools you use, so that they don't get in the way. As a corollary, the tools you choose should not, themselves, get in the way. Since you can't try everything, you can start be seeing which tools others choose, and how it meets their needs, and how their needs compare to yours. That is where Luminous Landscape achieved a good balance between technology and art, reviewing equipment they bought and used, rather than borrowed and blogged. As a matter of record, there are 17 articles in the front page of Luminous Landscape, only one of which is devoted to gear. The rest concern artistic rendering, technique, or ways of looking at things creatively. This whole "gear vs art" issue is a distraction, inserted into threads when someone seeks attention. A similar artifice is "If you know so much, where are the images to prove it?" On this note, Mr. Shadow, your portfolio seems to be rather sparse. Edited January 6, 2019 by Ed_Ingold 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shadow Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) The fact that there's lots of technology behind paint pigments and geometry not only behind Michelangelo's transfers but that he also used the 1:6 golden ratio does not make Picasso a scientist or Michelangelo a mathematician. The fact that I use gear to make photographs does not make me a gearhead. There are plenty of other people who are genuine gearheads. They don't require the likes of me to bolster their position. As for my photos, they can be found in No Words threads and not in a portfolio. I don't like the gallery side of the site so have chosen not to use it, but I've posted a lot of my photos in the forums. They can speak for themselves and for me, much louder than my cameras can. Edited January 6, 2019 by The Shadow There’s always something new under the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shadow Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) inserted into threads when someone seeks attention I made a short and simple statement in response to another member saying we are all gearheads. I wasn't after the kind of attention I received. I agree with you the attention to my simple statement has been undue! You might ask yourself why. You've even seen fit to attack me personally for it. Yes. A lot of attention. I wonder ... Edited January 6, 2019 by The Shadow There’s always something new under the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Peri Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 ...The fact that I use gear to make photographs does not make me a gearhead. There are plenty of other people who are genuine gearheads.... Gearhead... that would be me. 20+ cameras and 30 lenses... Wow, how did that happen? :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shadow Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Gearhead... that would be me. 20+ cameras and 30 lenses... Wow, how did that happen? :eek: That's cool, Vincent. Probably not that difficult after years of shooting. Interestingly, I know people, artists even!!!, who have lots of gear but who I don't think of as gearheads. Regardless I applaud your pride in what you do! There’s always something new under the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_hutcherson Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Gearhead... that would be me. 20+ cameras and 30 lenses... Wow, how did that happen? :eek: Lightweight :) Granted at least I've toned SOME things down...back last January I found myself with 6 medium format systems after buying my Hasselblad. I had the Pentax 645(admittedly I'm stretching to call that a system-I'd still like to flesh it out from one body/insert/lens but don't shoot enough 645 to make it worthwhile), a Bronica ETR and ETRS along with 4 lenses and 2 backs, a Bronica S2a with 5 lenses and a whole bunch of accesories, an SQ-A with 3 lenses and a couple of backs, and a nice RB67 system with 2 bodies, 5 lenses, and even some oddball stuff like a metered prism. I decided one in each size was enough, so kept the Pentax, Hasselblad, and Mamiya. Of course, we won't even go there with Nikon stuff :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick D. Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 There’s a long road twixt gearhead and artist ... I didn't know, that deep knowledge of "urban dictionary", is signature of "real" artist:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shadow Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I didn't know, that deep knowledge of "urban dictionary", is signature of "real" artist:) For some reason, you keep trying to bring “artist” into the equation. Not sure why. Only time I’ve brought up “art” is in response to your having done so. Most of your comments to me, and Ed’s as well, seem to me much more a matter of false projection than conversation. I guess my asking you not to speak for me really got your goat. Seems like such a simple and relatively benign request. Ed, for the most part, was preaching to the choir, since I actually share a lot of his views about the need to be in touch with one’s tools, which doesn’t have to lead to being a gearhead, which I am not. That’s it. The rest, all this stuff you insert about “art”, is just made up filler, having not much to do with what we’re talking about. There’s always something new under the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick D. Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 For some reason, you keep trying to bring “artist” into the equation. Not sure why. Only time I’ve brought up “art” is in response to your having done so. Most of your comments to me, and Ed’s as well, seem to me much more a matter of false projection than conversation. I guess my asking you not to speak for me really got your goat. Seems like such a simple and relatively benign request. Ed, for the most part, was preaching to the choir, since I actually share a lot of his views about the need to be in touch with one’s tools, which doesn’t have to lead to being a gearhead, which I am not. That’s it. The rest, all this stuff you insert about “art”, is just made up filler, having not much to do with what we’re talking about. OK, you are not gear-head and not an artist, I don't trying to project anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Keefer Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I had never heard of it. Now I wish I had. I think the Grant's and donations for Grant's was very cool. I hope the son makes it work. Perhaps a young perspective is what will work for the next generation getting into photography. Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick D. Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 I hope they will make it. It is difficult time for photography sites to make money, probably they lost lots of traffic when they switched to the subscriber only model. Market is changing, I have last number of "Digital Photo Pro" on my desk and 1/3 of it about HD video and sound recording. Look what is going on with traditional photography magazines, lots of big names out of business altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 The main theme of Luminous-Landscape was to promote fine art photography. It was the first place I heard discussed RIP (Raster Image Processing) printing software, in particular a program called "ImagePrint." An RIP is designed to produce the best quality in large prints (17" and more) by resampling, replacing the factory print driver for complete control, and providing a large library of print profiles. This is all in the name of producing fine art prints for display and, ultimately, for sale. Large printers and materials are expensive, and ImagePrint is nearly as expensive, largely beyond my means (or needs), but interesting nonetheless. In Luminous Landscape, technique was coequal with the photography, not only by Michael Reichmann but his frequent guests. This evolved to organization of photo tours. While too expensive for my budget, these tours revealed a new way of looking at scenery, and ventured into areas difficult to access without serious help (e.g., the highlands of Iceland). Furthermore it requires a lot of planning and often serious gear, not the most attractive process for the ad hoc generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frans_waterlander Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Subscriber-only model? Never paid them a penny, been visiting their forum for years. Maybe it's time to knock it off with bashing another photo forum and each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick D. Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 Subscriber-only model? Never paid them a penny, been visiting their forum for years. Maybe it's time to knock it off with bashing another photo forum and each other. Forum is free, content of website subscriber only. Check you facts first before bashing others. Keep up with the latest in Photography Join for access to over 5000 in depth articles, hundreds of hours of video tutorials and access to the largest Photography forum. Subscribe for $1/month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frans_waterlander Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Forum is free, content of website subscriber only. Check you facts first before bashing others. No need to get your hackles up. I'm very well aware of the facts, thank you very much. I was making the point that the forum is free. No need to pay a penny for "access to the largest Photography forum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick D. Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 No need to get your hackles up. I'm very well aware of the facts, thank you very much. I was making the point that the forum is free. No need to pay a penny for "access to the largest Photography forum." If you read my post, I wasn't talking about forum, I made statement about website been for subscribers only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frans_waterlander Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 ...website been for subscribers only. Since we are apparently picking nits, you get onto the website for free, then you either go to the forums for free or read articles that you have to pay for. BTW, your avatar is one of the cutest I've ever seen. Looks like a Chihuahua, but Corgis sleep like that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_hutcherson Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Funny...Watson is happy to throw a grenade then run away publicly, but he won't have a private conversation about what specifically he has an issue with. Draw your own conclusions from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Smith Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Watson is happy to throw a grenade Agreed, an uncalled for petty character assassination in my opinion. I am hoping too he will identify where these "so much better" sites are so I can go and look at them myself. Robin Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Three new articles have been published, including "Changing Landscape", pushing the latest Alain Briot contribution closer to the bottom of the page. "Underwhelming" would be the most charitable response I can muster, dark streets replacing luminous landscapes. I will pop in from time to time, at least until my subscription runs out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panorama333 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Wait...there's still a Luminous Landscape? Yes. Yes, there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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