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I saw an interesting article on AI produced art (disclaimer: haven't read it fully). I thought, it would be good to share it here. There is a lot of scientific material and insights into how an AI based algorithm might analyze art and create new images that (at least) attempt to emulate creativity based on what humans appreciate and what has been done already. Could be an interesting read if written well.

 

AI Is Blurring the Definition of Artist

 

At the end, the authors write this snippet which I am quoting here. They draw an analogy between the role of a human artist in an AI produced art to that of a photographer.

 

What the Computer Can’t Do

Still, there’s something missing in AICAN’s artistic process: The algorithm might create appealing images, but it lives in an isolated creative space that lacks social context. Human artists, on the other hand, are inspired by people, places, and politics. They create art to tell stories and make sense of the world.

 

AICAN can, however, generate artwork that human curators can then ground in our society and connect to what’s happening around us. That’s just what we did with “Alternative Facts: The Multi Faces of Untruth,” a title we gave to a series of portraits generated by AICAN that struck us with its timely serendipity.

 

Of course, just because machines can almost autonomously produce art, it doesn’t mean they will replace artists. It simply means that artists will have an additional creative tool at their disposal, one they could even collaborate with.

 

I often compare AI art to photography. When photography was first invented in the early 19th century, it wasn’t considered art—after all, a machine was doing much of the work. The tastemakers resisted, but eventually relented: A century later, photography became an established fine art genre. Today, photographs are exhibited in museums and auctioned off at astronomical prices.

 

I have no doubt that art produced by artificial intelligence will go down the same path.

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create new images that (at least) attempt to emulate creativity based on what humans appreciate and what has been done already.

Thanks for the link. I will read it. Just want to say for now that friends and I were recently discussing this very thing. I pointed out that "emulating creativity based on what humans appreciate and what has been done already" is almost an anti art stance. I like to think of art as, perhaps, a small dose of the above with a larger dose of changing what humans appreciate and doing what has not yet been done. How do we get AI to do that? :)

There’s always something new under the sun.
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Thanks for the link. I will read it. Just want to say for now that friends and I were recently discussing this very thing. I pointed out that "emulating creativity based on what humans appreciate and what has been done already" is almost an anti art stance. I like to think of art as, perhaps, a small dose of the above with a larger dose of changing what humans appreciate and doing what has not yet been done. How do we get AI to do that? :)

 

Thanks Fred. I will read it too later in the day when I have some time. I am not an expert in this type of technology, but I like to think that what we tend to appreciate and a subset of what we might in future (but not yet) are somehow encoded in the art we have already produced through the ages. A machine might be able to retrieve those hidden trends and create something whose appreciation is already within us, but we are not aware of. That might surprise us. Of course, I don't understand most of it, and this is just a speculation. Also, I don't think a machine is capable at this stage of thinking revolutionarily like many of the human artists, or changing the definition of taste itself as Dadaists had done, for example. BTW, by "what has been done already", I meant to say, create something new by analyzing what has been done already and missing.

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"meant to say, create something new by analyzing what has been done already" Supriyo.

 

In a our self, we believe we are specially unique, something wonderful.

 

For a lifeform that destroys its habit, kills other lifeforms without mercy, breeds them to eat....oops forgot, murders each other with enthusiasm.

 

Seems to me a somewhat tragedy, that Shakespeare himself, could not have penned.

 

Perhaps A1 will correct this tragedy, and enable intellect/intelligence to move on to a better place.

 

The child of humanity.

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"Computers aren't built to grasp such immediate recognition of conflicts simultaneously, and it's the difference between what makes a mathematical formula and what makes us human" Phil.

 

Phil, we have moved on from the abacus, slide rule and the calculator. In the terms of human achievement this has been done in very little time and the snowball travels faster and faster and grows larger and larger.

 

Many eminent scientists and thinkers believe computers and software will grow more powerful and sophistication until they achieve consciousness. Intelligence, intellect and imagination will be part of that conscious. It is all about "just a matter of time" and very little time at that. Do not confuse what we can achieve today in what can be achieved tomorrow-they are two worlds apart. But of course we are very special unique touched by something divine so we believe. So we believe.

 

We are like waves and stillness is non-being.

We are alive because of this, that we have no rest.

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Intellectual understanding, Phil. Methinks you have become a little lost soul in the page of a book.

 

So, the aim of a book may be to instruct,

Yet it can be also used as a pillow;)

Although its object is to give knowledge, direction, and a mental profit.

So, Phil, their are books and books, maybe you need to question the book, which you take on the same path yet again and again. Think, you the same set of tracks going to the same destination on a timeless loop.

 

The same thought, the same words- that mathematical equation- can we call it the endless equation.

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;And this forum is about the challenge of though, to my mind not a disrespect , for other posters, and their thoughts.

 

Very important distinction.. hard as the challenges maybe...…

 

And never a personality like or dislike. Philosophy , is about the purity of thought of a honesty of persuasion and indivudaual percection.

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emotion and all emotion is potentially destructive, like the act of creation itself. Phil.

 

The page you are lost in Phil, a deeply religious person writing in magnificent prose, seeking understanding to fundamental questions regarding religious believe.

 

The emotion/imaginations does not have to rely on our baser instincts indeed Art itself leads away from our so called animalistic behaviours. Our fellow species can live in harmony with other species when the are not in " be eaten or eat " survival mode..

 

We can too, Phil. And if we cannot time to move over-nature will decide as it does for all life forms.

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Phil, I had a word with the bloke upstairs. Hopefully, if you can be really good especially to Fred the Shadow....well ,you could be reborn as a little fluffy huggable kitten. How nice would that be for you. Just think, some folk will have a little fluffy kitten called Phil ,to love and cherish forever.

 

"We can too, Phil. And if we cannot time to move over-nature will decide as it does for all life forms" Allen

 

thought.

 

Pantheism: Nature is God

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"often, we confuse AI with the science fiction concept of 'self-being' that would occur at a point called "singularity", whereby the platform becomes aware of itself and subsequently possessed of an independent cognition and value system" Papa.

 

So, you are saying, that at any point in time, A1 intelligence/intellect will never achieve what you call" independent cognition and value systems " The value systems are already there.

 

You thoughts fly in the face of a majority of advanced thinkers who are involved in these studies.

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"To mockingly say that the Judeo-Christian God is a “bloke upstairs” Phil.

 

If we choose to believe in a divinity, one thing is absolutely taken, is that he/she or whatever would have a very good sense of humour. Indeed does ot all the words say that we were created in his own image.? There's a thought Phil.

 

Bottom line Phil. God is love which conquers all...so the books say Is not that what all humanity seeks? Especially cuddle kittens;)

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"On kittens, there’s this cool dude in Russia who helps and feeds stray cats and kittens (often in the form of these scruffy ultra squeeze-huggable little voiceless entities). Watching his videos is soothing to the human soul" Phil.

 

How nice is that.

 

A love that soothes the human soul.

 

Could that entity just be love.

 

Love seems to work anywhere and everywhere.

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Phil, we are not arguing we are having a chat and enjoying each others thought.

 

Mates having a BS together.

 

"that kind of feeling into a freaking computer chip, and into some computational power?" Phil.

 

Phil, have a think. The Double Helix controls . Got it. The CPU controls the computer . Think. both doing a similar task.

 

So, let us think, they are both moving on the same path but one is far advanced than the other. So, given time, will the slow coach eventually catch up. Technology is advancing at a staggering rate. Think.

 

Today, is not tomorrow.

 

Yesterday, flight was just for the birds or should I say reptiles.

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