EOS R - step to something larger?

Just curious if the new EOS R might be a step towards a medium format Canon future?

My crystal ball is as foggy as yours.

Aren't we waiting for 35mm pro-MILCs right now?

Aren't Canon supposed to release a 2nd incarnation of their 35mm high-res sensor?

I think designing an umpteenth sub-variant of a bayonet mount for a (crop?)-MF system is a piece of cake for them. Stretching image circles over MF seems the bigger issue. And producing and handling a MF sensor is probably another challenge.

According to some very unreliable informants (later jailed, but for something else), Canon did toy with the idea of medium format back when.

 

But see (link-https://www.pcworld.com/article/2981493/video/canon-creates-120-megapixel-dslr-camera.html).

 

It's for a APS-H format, and WOW, but notice that they don't plan to sell it commercially. I suppose it's just a shot across the bows to intimidate the others;)

From other informants ( still free, over at Canon Rumours) a possible EOS R Pro version with a 75 MP sensor ...

link : Canon EOS R body with more than 75mp on the horizon [CR2]

There does come a point of "good enough", although it is true that a lot of people thought we'd never need more than 6MP.

 

"What will you do with all that resolution?"

Perhaps a higher resolution solution could help the informants currently jailed or on the run see the way forward more clearly.

Great feedback guys.

I can think of no good reason why Canon would launch a "medium format" new system, given their current output. I reckon it would be a graveyard for them and would unnecessarily compete/confuse with their high resolution 35mm plans.

What would entice me to buy another Canon Body next year would be a 80 megapixel 5D MK V / Mirrorless version with significant features and improvements over 5D MK IV and the new Canon Mirrorless R, no AA filter, no crippled features, the latest and greatest fasted memory cards, true USB C, ability to record to USB C Solid State Drive external drives, focus peaking, eye focus, full frame 4K c-log video. In body stabilization. The camera would have to seriously compete features and sensors that are being offered by Sony. Pixel Shift would be cool. And I want the price at under $2500. I am tired of being price gouged with the carrot (camera) on a stick just slightly out of reach into the really to darn expensive range.

 

I have the 5D MK IV and A7RIII with metabones V allowing me to use all my EOS lenses. I have the best of both worlds now. So I really don't need to upgrade, but a camera like that above would be so over the top that it would entice me to just go for it. Short of that, what I have is pretty amazing.

 

And you know whatever they come out with, Sony will respond with something amazing to try to one up Canon. I think it is time Canon needs to step up to the plate and market a camera that eeeeee, I would love to see it happen too. I have been a Canon shooter since the 1970's.

 

I have not sold my 5D MK IV and am keeping my EOS lenses and I keep thinking Canon will come out with that new Pro Mirrorless. In the meantime the A7RIII with metabones fills that gap providing the new state of the art camera body for my EOS glass. Shame Canon has not yet. I keep thinking Canon will come through so I am holding off on buying G master lenses but they are enticing too.

According to some very unreliable informants (later jailed, but for something else), Canon did toy with the idea of medium format back when.

 

But see (link-https://www.pcworld.com/article/2981493/video/canon-creates-120-megapixel-dslr-camera.html).

 

It's for a APS-H format, and WOW, but notice that they don't plan to sell it commercially. I suppose it's just a shot across the bows to intimidate the others;)

I think it was something similar that Canon showcased at Photokina 2016. You could try it out, it was on a mount over a well-lit still-life. After the file was produced you could investigate it on the computer near by. Not really testing conditions though... but a huge file - that's for sure.

 

UP. I question if Canon is going for medium size. If they would have I think they would have developed that long ago. It just isn't worth it for the majority of professional photographers IMHO. Today's sensors produce high resolution images with a decent amount of noise. I don't think more pixels is that necessary. It costs a lot to handle all of these files professionally. Storage and back-up etc. Not to mention the size of the retouching files in PS - ajajaj.

Just curious if the new EOS R might be a step towards a medium format Canon future?

And to the point of the thread, I think the resolution of full frame will get up to the point of competing with medium format cameras, but medium format would mean having to create a entire new lens line for the big medium format sensors.

 

This would be a brave new direction for Canon. But such a camera could seriously be the heavy artillery to once again make Canon the dominant power in the camera wars.

 

I think Canon would have to do this right to take full advantage of the marketing potential. Make the Camera at an affordable price and offer a couple good affordable lenses.

Make the camera a 120 megapixel medium format for under $3000, have an adaptor and allow the camera to shoot a 35mm full frame FD EOS lenses as medium format crop. With a couple inexpensive Medium format lenses, all current 5D owners could get into the Medium format sand box without having to buy all new glass up front. It will be so enticing and get Canon full frame shooter to easily transition to the new body, offer a 50mm f /1.8 and a 24-105mm f/4 telephoto medium format lens kit so they get people buying into the system.

 

The big money will be when people start upgrading the rest of their lenses to medium format lenses.

 

The potential to get every Canon shooter to start upgrading all their glass to take full advantage of medium format could set Canon up for great quantities of lens sales over the next decade. This is where the real money would be made. It is like Pro Photographer Crack, you get them hooked on medium Format on the Cheap, but will start making the real money selling Medium Format L glass lenses like a 100-400 L, 14mm, 24-70 L, 70-200, 150-600mm, 85mm, medium format tilt shift....on and on. The potential to get every pro photographer and serious hobbyist to tograde all their glass.

 

I have always wanted medium format but prices of a Hasselblad or other medium format cameras have prevented most of us. Imagine making entry into the world of medium format affordable and make the transition as painless as possible, upgrade as fast or as slow as you deem fit, without sacrificing your ability to shoot commercially.

 

I would jump on a $3000 Canon Medium format body and start upgrading glass in a heartbeat.

 

Just my thoughts and dreaming. It sure would shake up the camera market. and fire a shot over the bow of all other manufacturers and take us into a new era.

It costs a lot to handle all of these files professionally. Storage and back-up etc. Not to mention the size of the retouching files in PS

Very good points. Very large files takes lot of storage and powerful computers to handle those files. I know from shooting with the A7RIII the 42 magapixel raws are about 84 megabyte files. I am running the latest i7 Intel's processors on a new generation Alienware gaming computer with SSD drives.

 

I am also making use of USB C external SSD drives which makes working on these files somewhat manageable. So how well will our Computers handle massive files. But people have been working with medium format files from other cameras so it must be workable.

Very good points. Very large files takes lot of storage and powerful computers to handle those files. I know from shooting with the A7RIII the 42 magapixel raws are about 84 megabyte files. I am running the latest i7 Intel's processors on a new generation Alienware gaming computer with SSD drives.

 

I am also making use of USB C external SSD drives which makes working on these files somewhat manageable. So how well will our Computers handle massive files. But people have been working with medium format files from other cameras so it must be workable.

 

Working with the files is one thing for sure. I have my SSD-drives. My 11GB state of the art videocard. My 32GB of RAM. An HDR-panorama works. But you have to think about how you work in Photoshop because I have on occasion run into their maximum file-size limitation. Of course at a medium size you wouldn't have to resort to the Brenizer Method.

 

The other thing to think about is the physical storage. Say you're a wedding photographer with a reasonable throughput. You would like to have at least three versions of each file just in raw format. One working copy, one on-site back-up and one off-site back-up. Then comes the files that you actually select and retouch for your customer and keep in an editable photoshop-format. It will cost in the end, I'm sure giving the number of files every wedding produces.

 

But on the other hand, wedding photographers might not be the market group considered here?

 

Perhaps you could sell your raw files and get rid of the hassle, but I know that it is not a common practice in Sweden.

Personally, I seriously doubt there are many photographers who really need 120 MP resolution. The requirements for perfection in optics and the stability of the camera platform means there are limited returns in improved detail. All you will get is more pixels presenting the same information as you got with a lower res sensor. At normal image viewing these high resolutions are pointless and are largely a waste of hard drive space and money. If pixel peeping gives you pleasure in and of itself then you may like the ultra high resolution, but you will soon end up seeing the limitations of your lens in addition to precise focus, vibration, diffraction and depth of field issues.

.... Rumours, rumours, rumours.

 

" Secondly, is a 100mp EOS R in the pipeline? It’s highly possible. We’ve been told that Canon scrapped the development of an EOS 5DS/R follow-up and that their next high megapixel camera will be for the EOS R system. I don’t think we’ll see such a camera until 2020, as I believe there need to be some more native RF lenses announced to handle landscape and studio shooters."

 

LINK: IBIS and 100mp coming to an EOS R camera? [CR2]