Why are they not really free?

@AlanKlein : Not all, or not really. And it sometimes doesn't help you if you end being the 2nd hand owner. Example: Current Leicas come AFAIK with a couple of months of Lightroom subscription in the box. - Older ones had a Lightroom license the M8 came with Capture One, but unlike Pentax' or Fuji's limited Silkypix you can't download the old Capture One for an M8. Even if the previous owner hands you the CDs that came in the camera's box, they might have used up all installations licensed with the software.

I am not sure about Nikon; didn't they start trying to sell something besides the packed software?

Anyhow, the packaged stuff is usually just a RAW converter and not what the OP is looking for capability wise.

What about Capture One for Sony cameras?

Here are three in separate videos explaining each.

See me edit in three FREE photo editing applications! »

Canon, Nikon and snapseed.

Google is your friend:

free online image editor - Google Search

And investigate PS CS edition

I use LR 3.5 that I purchased years ago. Still works, and I have not had to pay any more money to keep it working or to retain access to LR processed files. Not a fan of paygo or ransomware.

What about Capture One for Sony cameras?

 

Here are three in separate videos explaining each.

See me edit in three FREE photo editing applications! »

Canon, Nikon and snapseed.

Do they have retouchung, cropping, etc.?

What do you, collegues, think of movavi 5.5 photo editor? Not completely free, but very affordable, even cheap and supports raw.

I've spent over 20 years with Photoshop, and still haven't explored its depths. Various updates have been relatively incremental and painless to adopt.

I see you point but I want a minimalist family software, I do not do complicated things, trying to get a ready image when shot.

Google is your friend:

As I noted, they are not free really.

Not completely free, but very affordable, even cheap and supports raw.

If you're willing to spend some money, I can only repeat the advice already given: Affinity Photo. It is cheap, supports raw as well and is really competent. It's head and shoulders above the other editors in the same price bracket.

Affinity Photo

Thanks, I will get to know it.

I am looking for free online photo editor and guess what - trying again and again I see they are not free. i started from befunky (I liked their lens flare effect option): uploaded a file, processed and before saving it on my laptop it offerd me payed subscription. I could not save the image at all. And again and again all the same - all of free sites are really payed. Google show them as free but they are not.

Do free powerful sites exist to process images and apply some beautiful, contemporarily looking effects?

Because most people want to make money on the products they made.

hahaha free? why should you buy a program for $180 n still have to subscribe for $10/ month to keep it working?

all we get these days are rentals, nothing is free!

hahaha free? why should you buy a program for $180 n still have to subscribe for $10/ month to keep it working?

 

all we get these days are rentals, nothing is free!

Again, how this stuff really works:

Adobe Creative Cloud

id rather have stand alones for that much money not a mega company having me by the balls for a subscription.

cloud is a joke! read their terms n you will find out they are not responsable for the safety of your information. so what are you paying for?... a parking spot in a lousey neighborhood?

id rather have stand alones for that much money not a mega company having me by the balls for a subscription.

 

cloud is a joke! read their terms n you will find out they are not responsable for the safety of your information. so what are you paying for?... a parking spot in a lousey neighborhood?

Sometimes one feels like one is in their mercy. My plugins are constantly disappearing - and need to be reinstalled - when Photoshop and Lightroom have new updates. I am bracing for the day when I am told that I will nee Windows 10 (I have Windows 7), new this and that to run their programs. It's uncomfortable every time when there are new updates.

Read the entire EULA of virtually any software product. They (the software company who's providing you a license to use, not OWN their products) are not responsible for any of your data, cloud or otherwise. NEED an example?

Some of us here have actual experience producing software and know this, some (few?) actually read and understand the EULA they accept to use that license.

Some just live in fear and FUD. :oops:

You end user, click OK to the license, you are on your own in terms of your data and a lot more, two examples:

8. Limitation of Liability.

EXCEPT FOR THE EXCLUSIVE REMEDY OFFERED BY ADOBE ABOVE AND ANY REMEDIES THAT CANNOT BE EXCLUDED OR LIMITED UNDER LAW, ADOBE, ITS AFFILIATES, SUPPLIERS, AND CERTIFICATE AUTHORITIES WILL NOT BE LIABLE TO CUSTOMER FOR ANY LOSS, DAMAGES, CLAIMS, OR COSTS WHATSOEVER INCLUDING ANY CONSEQUENTIAL, INDIRECT OR INCIDENTAL DAMAGES, ANY LOST PROFITS OR LOST SAVINGS, ANY DAMAGES RESULTING FROM BUSINESS INTERRUPTION, PERSONAL INJURY OR FAILURE TO MEET ANY DUTY OF CARE, OR CLAIMS BY A THIRD PARTY, EVEN IF AN ADOBE REPRESENTATIVE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH LOSS, DAMAGES, CLAIMS, OR COSTS. IN ANY EVENT, ADOBE’S AGGREGATE LIABILITY AND THAT OF ITS AFFILIATES, SUPPLIERS, AND CERTIFICATE AUTHORITIES UNDER OR IN CONNECTION WITH THIS AGREEMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO THE AMOUNT PAID FOR THE SOFTWARE, IF ANY. THIS LIMITATION WILL APPLY EVEN IN THE EVENT OF A FUNDAMENTAL OR MATERIAL BREACH OR A BREACH OF THE FUNDAMENTAL OR MATERIAL TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT. Nothing contained in this agreement limits Adobe’s liability to Customer in the event of death or personal injury resulting from Adobe’s negligence or for the tort of deceit (fraud). Adobe is acting on behalf of its affiliates, suppliers, and Certificate Authorities for the purpose of disclaiming, excluding and limiting obligations, warranties, and liability, but in no other respects and for no other purpose.

OUR product:

PhotoKit Color EULA

8. EXCLUSION OF INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL AND CERTAIN OTHER DAMAGES. AS CONSIDERATION FOR THE GRANT OF THIS LICENSE, IN NO EVENT SHALL PIXEL GENIUS, LLC OR ITS SUPPLIERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, INDIRECT, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES WHATSOEVER (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS OR CONFIDENTIAL OR OTHER INFORMATION, FOR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION, FOR PERSONAL INJURY, FOR LOSS OF PRIVACY, FOR FAILURE TO MEET ANY DUTY INCLUDING OF GOOD FAITH OR OF REASONABLE CARE, FOR NEGLIGENCE, AND FOR ANY OTHER PECUNIARY OR OTHER LOSS WHATSOEVER) ARISING OUT OF OR IN ANY WAY RELATED TO THE USE OF OR INABILITY TO USE THE SOFTWARE PRODUCT, THE PROVISION OF OR FAILURE TO PROVIDE SUPPORT SERVICES, OR OTHERWISE UNDER OR IN CONNECTION WITH ANY PROVISION OF THIS EULA, EVEN IN THE EVENT OF THE FAULT, TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE), STRICT LIABILITY, BREACH OF CONTRACT OR BREACH OF WARRANTY OF PIXEL GENIUS, LLC OR ANY SUPPLIER, AND EVEN IF PIXEL GENIUS, LLC OR ANY SUPPLIER HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.

I'm sorry if these facts of how software is produced, sold and used ruins your day.

Doesnt ruin my day in the least. I only use stand alones n shoot film.

BTW I just updated my DOS to ver 4 on my AT.

suckers! :eek:

 

I'm sorry if these facts of how software is produced, sold and used ruins your day.

Doesnt ruin my day in the least. I only use stand alones n shoot film.

BTW I just updated my DOS to ver 4 on my AT.

 

suckers! :eek:

And your comment about the cloud and virtually ALL software is moot.

As for DOS, there is an EULA you didn’t read and limitations of damage:

MICROSOFT RESEARCH LICENSE AGREEMENT | Microsoft DOS V1.1 and V2.0 | @CHM Blog | Computer History Museum

Consider this anti-FUD :D

FUD? What does that mean in English? IDKWTM.

yeah yeah yeah its not free and thats the point... you can only rent it. so let these companies rob ya with cute names like clouds in heaven, as if it were in the sky tucked away, nice n safe. its a computer memory bank in a bad neighborhood waiting to get robbed. park your Rolls in a slum?

Throw the dice... it may be your stuff next... then cry wooo wooo they lost terabytes of my stuff... and you paid them to keep an eye on it! Have a problem with the buggy softaware... too bad we aren't liable for that. READ THE TERMS!

Why let these companies get away with that? if people would stop buying into that nonsense (as they should have when it started), these companies would have to change their policies or go out of business. Sell me a product backed with a warranty, not disclaimers!

hahahahahha clouds! Its a joke n no one gets it yet, till they get robbed.

my hiking club lost their entire member list of 8,000 names, addresses, phone records n emails, historic archives we spent a ton of money scanning all nice n secure on the cloud. what we were told when asking how we can recover it?... "too bad we aren't responsible for your data, nothing we can do." That sorry is worth a million bucks.

HAHAHAHHAHA they are holding you hostage, n you don't see that as a problem?

As for DOS, there is an EULA you didn’t read and limitations of damage:

MICROSOFT RESEARCH LICENSE AGREEMENT | Microsoft DOS V1.1 and V2.0 | @CHM Blog | Computer History Museum

 

Consider this anti-FUD :D

they werent holding me hostage charging me every month for nothing. I still have all my programs and data on my hard drive n they run just fine, 40 years later!

Hows your CC without the subscription?

pay the man or its dead in the water!

miss a payment and see who owns your data?

FUD? What does that mean in English? IDKWTM.

they werent holding me hostage charging me every month for nothing. I still have all my programs and data on my hard drive n they run just fine, 40 years later!

You missed the point about your rant about the cloud and how software isn't owned, nor that by your agreement to the EULA to use the software (including DOS), you can lose your data and there's nothing you can do about it by virtue of agreeing to the EULA. That's got absolutely nothing to do with subscriptions.

How's my subscriptions to software? Just fine which is why I continue to subscribe. Miss a payment and what happens? Depends on the software. With Lightroom, every module expect Develop and Maps continues to work. As we discussed in another thread: Adobe could make all modules cease to operate when one stops subscribing, perhaps holding their customers as you assume, hostage. They do not. Again, I'm sorry if these facts ruin your day and anti-Adobe, anti-software rants. The FUD (look it up, like the facts behind EULA, you might/may learn something).

FUD... flagrant urban development? did i learn anything?

FAH look it up

now i see... you work for them!

ignored!

FUD... flagrant urban development? did i learn anything?

You did not.