Who owns & runs PN anyway?

So tell us Fred, who isn’t.

My cousin, Jonathan, isn’t an artist. He’s a really nice guy, intelligent, a child psychologist. He’s raised two great kids, has been great to his parents and was great to mine. He’s an interesting guy to talk to and has some unique interests. He’s never tried to and never made art. His sister is an artist and he recognizes that about her and understands it’s a difference between the two of them.

 

My friend, Phil, is not an artist. He’s another great guy. Has taught kids with emotional disabilities for most of his career, works hard, just added a deck onto his house, has remodeled his two bathrooms, raised two great daughters, and been a reliable friend for over 30 years. He doesn’t think of himself and I don’t think of him as an artist. As a matter of fact, no one we know would consider him an artist.

 

My cousin, Lloyd, takes a lot of photos. He loves it. He sends a lot of his family snaps and vacation snaps to me, which I enjoy looking at. He sees it as a hobby for himself, not an art. I agree with that. He has some of his pics hanging on his walls. That doesn’t make him think they’re art. Doesn’t make me think so, either.

 

My dad was a great role model and one of my heroes. He didn’t really have an artistic bone in his body. When I showed him some of my portraits his comment was, “I don’t know any of these people.” Certainly a valid comment and representative of his outlook on the world, which was his own. But not a very artistic reaction, IMO. He never would have wanted to be and, in my mind he wasn’t, an artist. He was a salesman, he’d been a soldier, he was proudly Jewish, a dad, a husband, a good ball player before becoming disabled, a loving son and brother, and not an artist.

So far, the statement about getting 3 to agree is holding up....

It’s holding up only in the very limited sense that no one here has tried to define art, so who knows what people think it is. Frankly, I don’t care much how people define “art.” That usually gets tedious, much like asking people to define “love” or “beauty.” I can tell a lot more from how they USE the word and from hearing how they generally talk about photography, painting, and things of that ilk, than from what definition they might latch onto at a particular moment, which will often be incomplete, often admittedly so. How someone defines “love”, for example, means much less to me in terms of their understanding of love than how they treat those they love.

love the vids.

Congrats Fred, you have succeeded in hijacking this thread.

 

Instead of taking up what is art and why PN is declining in a thread just for that purpose over in Philosophy--we get a special brand of something that is not germane in a site help board...

 

You need to learn to read what people write here and let it settle before attacking your keyboard. Perhaps if you did that, most of the dialogues you are party to would not turn abrasive. I never belittled Haana, I just sincerely believe that much of that language and philosophy is populist metaphysical wanking. I come to this conclusion as being someone over 60 who started the nonsense trail in the early 70s with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Surprising how much it cost to get your secret special word.

 

20 years in and around the fellowship of Bill W., and as an addictions specialist clinical RN. More people fail that program than succeed, and it represents less than 2% of the entire recovery community. More power to those it works for--often no more than the exchange of one sort of addiction and social milieu for another. What's your point?

 

Everything has a language. Or more precisely jargon. Specific, often at odds with popular understandings of terms and application. I speak a half-dozen or more special interests, and a number of academic affiliations. It's often about who belongs and who does not. None of it has the least thing to do with what sort of citizen someone is or how engaged they are with society. Only elitists believe that is so.

 

The 'irony' is that in a thread about who owns this venue, you wade in with an argument about what is art--and begin judging the attitude and motivation of others. Redux many other threads. We have indeed arrived at the point that 3 people are in some sort of fundamental disagreement--and that disagreement has nothing to do with the intended thesis of this thread.

 

BTW, I am not a cynic. I am jaded. There is a difference. Perhaps we can get the thread back on subject! :D

Edited July 4, 2018 by PapaTango

Yes. I agree.

 

We're in the "Site Help Forum" and we are asking and discussing - "Who Owns and Runs Photo.net, anyway?"

WW

A lot of truth there Fred, except for one thing. In the nearly 20 years I have been hanging around here (beginning in 1999 as "Pragmatist"), I never saw 3 or more people come to a consensus of what art was. :rolleyes:

I mentioned art in the context of the subject of the thread, why people are leaving. You then followed up with the above. I saw fit to then respond. That’s sometimes how threads evolve. You bear some responsibility for that evolution as well. I own my responses to you relative to Hannah and art. They seem perfectly reasonable responses to YOUR posts. I won’t give you the last word on the subject of art here. If you want to get back on topic, I’ll follow your lead, but make another claim about art in doing so, and expect a response in kind.

So it's probably time for an appropriate lead and a timely follow: just like a artful waltz.

 

WW

I never know to whom it is I am speaking around here anymore...... Conversations start with Fred and end with Norma.

Since things are so far off the rails, and since Hannah was an important part of PN at one time, here's a photo I took of her a few years ago.

 

i guess pn is a ghost ship

 

 

I never know to whom it is I am speaking around here anymore...... Conversations start with Fred and end with Norma.

 

 

Since things are so far off the rails

 

i luv it.

Is the site down or what? I can't access my images. etc.

I thought everybody was an artist.....

I thought everyone is a beautiful snowflake. . . .

I don't think that anyone owns this site anymore. I think it's more like a derelict satellite, a ghost ship doomed to wobble around the earth in ever-descending orbits until the inevitable splash down. The photo side of PN has been out of commission since at least early this morning and no one seems to have noticed. or even cared that much. No heads up from administration either which leads me to believe that there's no one at the helm and even the rats are heading for the life boats.

I guess we notice, but we shrug ... it's happened before, then the photos magically re-appear ...

I guess we notice, but we shrug ... it's happened before, then the photos magically re-appear ...

... yessss, we are back in orbit again !

powered by con ed? when the lights go out, just wait a while.

 

btw they are lurking...

 

I guess we notice, but we shrug ... it's happened before, then the photos magically re-appear ...

 

John, I just want to say that your Avatar is one of the best things on PN.

 

As to this site, I think it has died.

John, I just want to say that your Avatar is one of the best things on PN

the girl’s bum? not seen one in a long time, eh, Dave?

the girl’s bum? not seen one in a long time, eh, Dave?

it's so refreshing to have such nice people on the site

it's so refreshing to have such nice people on the site

John, even the odious Rupert Murdoch put a stop to Page 3 girls which leaves you in a league of your own.

John, even the odious Rupert Murdoch put a stop to Page 3 girls which leaves you in a league of your own.

You should try it, you never know, you may discover that you enjoy it, both the company and the photography!

In the meantime, with the 800 million subscribers to Instagram, I don't feel very lonely.

I doubt the odious Rupert Murdoch does either.

We all have our definition of odious Norman, but as a child my father taught me that to call other people names only serves to shield oneself.

Judging by your photos, John, it looks your pappy skipped a few lessons.

Thankfully, there are a lot of kind and generous people that remain on this site with whom to converse.