Nick Ut 2018?

Trump to Congress: If you want us to stop separating families at the border, then change the law

Sandy, I hope you realize what a lonely voice (or should I say, echo chamber) you’re becoming. Even Franklin Graham has implored Trump to change his administration’s policy, as have others in the very conservative religious and evangelical community. So have Laura Bush and Ted Cruz, not exactly the Lefties you’d like to think or at least conveniently claim are the only ones pushing Trump to do the right thing and rescind the policy Jeff Sessions started days ago. Even Mark Meadows, today, is working on a bill to clean up the Trump/Sessions horror, but Trump has threatened not to sign a bill that doesn’t include a physical monument to his hugeness, a big, beautiful wall. You may find yourself a sole voice in a dark wilderness listening to the cries of children, repeating your studied litany of lies . . . but to yourself alone.

:rolleyes:

You have a nation of laws or you don't. If you have no borders you have no nation. It is the President's duty to enforce the laws - it is the duty of Congress to provide the laws. Mr. Obama chose to ignore laws he disagreed with in violation of his oath of office, President Trump is enforcing laws Congress passed, no more, no less. As previously documented there are lawful methods to avoid this situation. The illegals by their actions are creating the problem, the crying children their responsibility. Amazing how nearly every extra legal situation the Left champions has "For the Children" attached as the final argument.

Trump to Congress: If you want us to stop separating families at the border, then change the law

THERE IS NO LAW. Please cite the relevant statute, if I am wrong.

THERE IS NO LAW. Please cite the relevant statute, if I am wrong.

I see you didn't bother to read #31. Google The Flores settlement.

Nick Ut's image speaks volumes in itself, John Moore's says nothing without written context. BillC got it right: not even remotely similar. The only indication that there is something more to it than a child crying is the fact that the man wears latex gloves.

 

 

and that can be for any number of crimes when searched for drugs or weapons.

 

its just another snapshot of a criminal subjecting their kid to the risk of illegal activity... maybe it should be seen as child abuse by an irresponsible parent?

 

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I see you didn't bother to read #31. Google The Flores settlement.

That's bull. Even Ted f-ing Cruz says so. Great site you reference there, with the videos of Jesus and all. Try this real, not liberal newspaper from Texas.

Once a child is detained for any reason, the Flores settlement provides guidelines on how the child should be detained or released. It doesn't dictate on what conditions the government should detain these children in the first place, if I understand the statutes correctly.

I don't think is has as powerful impact as the Ut picture, no, but it is yet another example of how the United States has failed to live up to its self-declared lofty aims. The current administration's practices are a disgrace to the country and the usual set of outright lies and so-called "explanations" are confused and contradictory. I think the image will live on as an example of what Trump and his cronies are doing to this country, but no doubt Sandy and his ilk will continue to pretend it is normal. But as the photo requires a more detailed explanation to understand it, unlike the Ut image, I don't think it will ever have quite the same impact.

Google the settlement - regardless of the link (which was from a bipartisan compiling site). The settlement is as binding on immigration as those of that Hawaiian Judge.

You have a nation of laws or you don't.

Simple thought, right out of the mouth of Trump. Pass the kool-aid, please.

 

It’s not about having or not having laws, it’s about what the laws say and how they’re enforced. Of course, in this case there is no law demanding kids be taken from their parents at the border. It’s a Trump POLICY to hold kids hostage in hopes of getting his wall.

 

A nation of laws is meaningless without a moral center behind it. Nazi Germany was a nation of laws. “You have a nation of laws or you don’t” is a hollow and pathetic platitude, signifying nothing.

 

The fact is, Trump could reverse this policy tomorrow by the stroke of a pen to reverse Sessions’s NEW policy. He doesn’t want to because he doesn’t have a moral core that cares about anything but himself appearing to be tough and strong, and the dupes follow him, willing to discard their own morality to belong to a cult that makes them feel secure, spewing forth lies that make them somehow feel more comfortable about an atrocity being committed in their names. Until they come for YOU (and if this keeps up, they’ll find a reason), you won’t wake up.

I don't think is has as powerful impact as the Ut picture, no, but it is yet another example of how the United States has failed to live up to its self-declared lofty aims. The current administration's practices are a disgrace to the country and the usual set of outright lies and so-called "explanations" are confused and contradictory. I think the image will live on as an example of what Trump and his cronies are doing to this country, but no doubt Sandy and his ilk will continue to pretend it is normal. But as the photo requires a more detailed explanation to understand it, unlike the Ut image, I don't think it will ever have quite the same impact.

 

 

but that snapshot looks like a typical drug bust in nyc and just so happens the junkie has a kid there.

 

it shows nothing related to immigration or for that matter anything other than being frisked n searched for contraban. where do you get all this nonsence involving government issues from that picture?

Pass the kool-aid, please.

Wouldn't want to deprive you of your generous jug full.

Enforcement of law should not be subjective as it was under Mr. Obama

A source for you from the Left.

https://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/immigrants/flores_v_meese_agreement.pdf

I don't think is has as powerful impact as the Ut picture, no, but it is yet another example of how the United States has failed to live up to its self-declared lofty aims. The current administration's practices are a disgrace to the country and the usual set of outright lies and so-called "explanations" are confused and contradictory. I think the image will live on as an example of what Trump and his cronies are doing to this country, but no doubt Sandy and his ilk will continue to pretend it is normal. But as the photo requires a more detailed explanation to understand it, unlike the Ut image, I don't think it will ever have quite the same impact.

This seems a pretty fair and insightful assessment of the photos . . . and the situation which led to it. Thanks!

Its ironic that the Flores Settlement was intended to protect children. Now its being cited to justify inflicting irreparable harm to these children. Thats why I hate politics.

Its ironic that the Flores Settlement was intended to protect children. Now its being cited to justify inflicting irreparable harm to these children. Thats why I hate politics.

Doesn’t make me hate politics. Politics are pretty fundamental and necessary. I do, though, hate immoral actions of a powerful government being defended. And hypocrisy. The same ones who claim to dislike big government love it when its strong arm, attached to a strongman ruler, takes brown babies and puts them in cages away from their parents. Makes them feel like they have “a country.”

Doesn’t make me hate politics. Politics are pretty fundamental and necessary. I do, though, hate immoral actions of a powerful government being defended. And hypocrisy. The same ones who claim to dislike big government love it when it’s strong arm, attached to a strongman ruler, takes brown babies and puts them in cages away from their parents. Makes them feel like they have “a country.”

 

I agree Fred, politics is a necessary aspect for every government. Its just that, politics in the current form is so detached from human empathy, that sometimes it feels like a hindrance rather than an enabler of human progress.

"A 1997 federal consent decree that requires the government to release all children apprehended crossing the border. The “Flores” consent decree began as a class-action lawsuit. The Justice Department negotiated a settlement during President Bill Clinton’s administration. According to a 2016 decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, the Flores settlement requires the federal government to release rather than detain all undocumented immigrant children, whether they crossed with parents or alone. The agreement doesn’t cover any parents who might be accompanying those minors, but it doesn’t mandate that parents be prosecuted or that families be separated. Moreover, Congress could pass a law that overrides the terms of the Flores settlement. Waldman said the Flores settlement requires the government to keep immigrant families together for only 20 days, but no part of the consent decree requires that families be separated after 20 days. Courts have ruled that children must be released from detention facilities within 20 days under the Flores consent decree, but none of these legal developments prevents the government from releasing parents along with children."

where do you get all this nonsence involving government issues from that picture?

Some pictures don't tell the story. They accompany it and, as I said earlier, punctuate it. Such photos often rely on the written story to provide the story itself and the photo adds visual expression. In that respect, it's neither as good nor complete a photo as the Ut photo, but it doesn't make it unimportant. Where Robin got the information about what the photo is about is from articles that the photo accompanies.

For Sandy:

 

Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), who has rarely broken with the White House, put out a statement today. [bold added for emphasis]

“I oppose the Trump administration’s policy of separating children from their parents. This is counter to our values."

Even Portman is willing to call it what it is. It looks like Sandy's is becoming an increasingly lone, isolated voice. That's a good thing.

Sandy's is becoming an increasingly lone, isolated voice.

Throughout my relatively long life, I have been willing to stand, alone if necessary, for the USA and against propaganda of the Left. See no reason to change now.

Curious that the party "for the children" is unconcerned about human trafficking, and is also the party that endorses virtually unrestricted abortion - killing babies.

Throughout my relatively long life

see no reason to change

That's a good summation. Not a surprise.

unrestricted abortion - killing babies

Yes, you're all for babies when they're in the womb and you can wield power over the women who are bearing them. And, then, in your infinite wisdom, you're perfectly willing to take them from their moms, put them in cages, and tell them it's someone else's fault you're doing this to them. Just your brand of holiness.

 

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Republican Jennifer Rubin, of course termed a RINO, with another good summation [again, my emphasis added, just 'cuz it's a good turn of phrase]:

Trump and his true-believer (or cynical, if you prefer) anti-immigrant marionettes are alone on this one. The dead-enders lacking simple human decency and committed to wringing out the last vote from their anti-immigrant base won’t relent. However, they are not America. Americans think that what these people are doing is hateful, wrong and unnecessary.

Yes, you're all for babies when they're in the womb and you can wield power over the women who are bearing them. And, then, in your infinite wisdom, you're perfectly willing to take them from their moms, put them in cages, and tell them it's someone else's fault you're doing this to them. Just your brand of holiness.

You continually impress me with your sanctimony and cluelessness. You have no basis in fact for this or many of your screeds. You know nothing about me.

I notice you didn't answer for the hypocrisy. I'm not pretending to know anything more about you than what you've said here. You have simultaneously referred to abortion as baby-killing (managed to get that cheap shot in even though it's a discussion of border policy) and talked in support of a policy that unnecessarily takes babies from their mothers. Instead of telling us how those two stances are morally rational, you call me sanctimonious. Good copout.

By the way, I mentioned Nixon's questioning of the validity of the Ut photo at the time and said I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens now. Ann Coulter must have heard me. In referring to the audio recording at the migrant children internment camps, Coulter says . . .

“Yes, I think they need to improve their scripts, they’re saying ‘mommy and daddy,’ maybe you want to put it in Spanish next time.”

In the era of Trump, no facts, no truths, no pictures, and no recordings are safe.