Alternative weekly thread in Nature forum

The Natural World (TNW)

The World Naturally (TWN)

Us and Nature (UaN)

Nature with a Touch of Man (NwaToM)

 

Do pictures of the Moon or the Milky Way fit? I would think so even if there is another place on PNet for them.

 

Still like 1 per week on Friday

Second Nature..........love it, love it.

 

Can we agree to leave gender out of it? The nature forum is really about nature, not people.

 

Dawson, astro photography has always had a home on MiN, and the nature forum in general.

Edited January 25, 2018 by Laura Weishaupt

I would like Second Nature too except it refers to behaviour rather than the natural world. Edited January 25, 2018 by DawsonPointers

Dawson, how so?

It strikes me as something that is natural, as in it's second nature for us to be out there with cameras. Nature photography is something that we do naturally. Is this is the behavior that you refer to?

Dawson, how so?

It strikes me as something that is natural, as in it's second nature for us to be out there with cameras. Nature photography is something that we do naturally. Is this is the behavior that you refer to?

Hardly. I think that photography is something we are all trying to improve and may do differently each time in that quest. Something that is second nature to an individual (to me) refers to a behaviour that someone does repeatedly without really thinking much about it. I may decide to do all macro photos for a while then nothing but birds. That would not be second nature IMHO. Also, the name may imply that behaviour of the subject is involved. That's not going to happen with a rock formation, is it? I do like the name; but...

Cute turn of phrase, but who wants to come in second?

It's not a contest, so no one comes in first or second.

 

Let's not overthink it. Call it "The Other Nature Thread". It's a label on a weekly thread. It doesn't have to have deep hidden meaning. It doesn't have to have a name at all.

 

Dawson, thanks for explaining your position. For me, the whole process of being in nature with a camera is second nature. It is a natural feeling activity, regardless of the thought that goes into making a photograph. To me, that rock formation is quite alive, as is everything in nature. I see it differently than you do. That's ok.

Nature Unlimited?

It's not a contest, so no one comes in first or second.

 

Let's not overthink it. Call it "The Other Nature Thread". It's a label on a weekly thread. It doesn't have to have deep hidden meaning. It doesn't have to have a name at all.

 

Dawson, thanks for explaining your position. For me, the whole process of being in nature with a camera is second nature. It is a natural feeling activity, regardless of the thought that goes into making a photograph. To me, that rock formation is quite alive, as is everything in nature. I see it differently than you do. That's ok.

 

Thanx Laura. It might be second nature to you, but it isn't to me. I have to work at it.

If it ends up being "Second Nature", I can easily live with that.

 

I like your suggestion of "The Other Nature Thread" (TONT) ;-}

Every photograph itself is inextricably "Hand of Man".....Nature photography is a

human activity with roots in cave drawings of early Man.

Every Human is inextricably part of Nature.

Edited January 25, 2018 by Moving On

It might be second nature to you, but it isn't to me. I have to work at it.

 

I work at it also. The work, for me, is all part of the oneness. You might be surprised at how often I ask the Sun to please move. I wait, then a cloud laughs at me.

 

Deiter, that's great. Nature Unlimited is also the name of a lighting company serving the mid Atlantic and also the name of a wildlife tour company in Mumbai. I actually looked this up because I thought it was the name of a magazine.

 

It would work here too.

 

Dawsons earlier suggestions are good also,I also like The World Naturally.

 

Make no mistake, my photographs are inextricably HAND OF WOMAN. How about all the "man" references get changed to "woman"? Let's keep gender out of it. We're talking about a thread in the nature forum. This isn't a philosophical discussion. There's another forum for that.

Edited January 25, 2018 by Laura Weishaupt

How about keeping PC out of it-

Merriam Webster

Definition of man

plural men play \ˈmen, in compounds ˌmen or mən\

 

b : the human race : humankind

• the history of man
  

c : a bipedal primate mammal (Homo sapiens) that is anatomically related to the great apes but distinguished especially by notable development of the brain with a resultant capacity for articulate (see 1articulate 1a) speech and abstract reasoning, and is the sole living representative of the hominid family; broadly : any living or extinc

Laura.

Review the first reply to your original post in this thread.

 

I trust I need not explain the use of quotation marks around the phrase you quoted in my post.

I'm not that obsessed with any particularreference to sex when it comes to a conversation about people and photography either way.

Gender is a grammatical term.

Edited January 25, 2018 by Moving On

Again, we're talking about a thread in the nature forum. I keep asking for gender to be kept out.

 

Sandy, this is simply unnecessary, and comes off as a slap. It's also WAY off topic.

 

Mark, I didn't quote your post. I responded to it. Quotation marks weren't required.

Madam, you began it - it appears it will be another feature that I shall simply avoid. May it prosper.

The quotation marks I was referring to were around the term Hand of Man which is a direct quote from both the posted guidelines being discussed here as well as the first reply to your initial post in this thread.

Simple as that.

Be that as it may, I'll leave you to it both in this thread and any deriving from it.

Too much animus right out of the gate.

It's unnatural.....

Enjoy.....;;)

I like "Second Nature" and "The Other Nature." Taking pictures is a second nature for me.

I'd like to have places to post pictures like this Snowy and Short-eared that I got yesterday, but I also really like the MiN and would prefer that nothing happens to dilute what we get posted there.

I like the "unlimited" or "unrestricted" descriptors, but the name really doesn't matter much to me. I would like it to be nature, and I would like to see it limited to one post. I'd like to see everyone's work and have it be their best stuff. I don't want to step on toes, but some people's images (maybe mine, actually) aren't as good as they think and I don't want a bunch of posts from them spoiling the experience we are striving for. I'd also like us to not have any repeat posts from MiN to this new thread - must be a different image. Edited January 25, 2018 by Rod Sorensen

Hi, Laura,

 

Thanks for that kind comment - with my grumpy attitude, I need all the friends I can get !!:)

 

Few more title suggestions :

 

Natural elements

Balance of Nature

Natural images

Natural simplicity

 

May I just say that I don't feel that a 'High Horse' is particularly natural .. .. ..

Here’s another potential name “Witness Nature, Share Nature on Fridays”

 

 

May I suggest the guidelines as being:

 

 

“The focus of your submission must be nature. If humans or structures are visible, that’s OK; but, it is the natural element of your photo that must be the prominent . ‘Likes’, ‘Replies’ and comments from other PNet members will help to guide you for your future posts. Another thread to post your nature photographs is Monday in Nature (MiN) and these are the guidelines https://www.photo.net/discuss/threads/monday-in-nature-guildelines.5502134/”

Every Human is inextricably part of Nature.

This is, of course, true and I thank you for stating it plainly.

 

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“The focus of your submission must be nature. If humans or structures are visible, that’s OK; but, it is the natural element of your photo that must be the prominent

I'd be against adopting Dawson's guidelines. If you open the door to humanity in this new weekly thread, open it. Don't just allow for a teensy weensy crack. If someone wants to post a figure of a human being looming large in a natural environment, that should be encouraged as a way to approach nature photography. If I have a photo of a person helping to clean oil-damaged birds on a beach and the bird takes up much less space than the person, there's no reason why that photo shouldn't be allowed in this less restricted thread. You've already got one thread with a severe human restriction. Either unrestrict this one or forget about it, because by adding yet more restrictions to this new thread you're merely paying lip service to something and not embracing alternative visions of nature photography.

Edited January 25, 2018 by Norma Desmond

This is, of course, true and I thank you for stating it plainly.

 

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I'd be against adopting Dawson's guidelines. If you open the door to humanity in this new weekly thread, open it. Don't just allow for a teensy weensy crack. If someone wants to post a figure of a human being looming large in a natural environment, that should be encouraged as a way to approach nature photography. If I have a photo of a person helping to clean oil-damaged birds on a beach and the bird takes up much less space than the person, there's no reason why that photo shouldn't be allowed in this less restricted thread. You've already got one thread with a severe human restriction. Either unrestrict this one or forget about it, because by adding yet more restrictions to this new thread you're merely paying lip service to something and not embracing alternative visions of nature photography.

 

Please, Please, Please submit a suggested revision rather than a critique. I thought I addressed your concerns by saying "‘Likes’, ‘Replies’ and comments from other PNet members will help to guide you for your future posts.". I don't want any individual(s) to be the gatekeeper of the thread.

Just out of curiosity - would this image be allowed in MiN? On account of the railing clearly visible in the bird's eye?

 

I didn't know that I missed crows and ravens until I saw this.

Please, Please, Please submit a suggested revision

Fair enough.

 

Here's a quick draft of the kind of introduction I would write:

 

"This weekly thread is meant as an alternative and companion to the Monday in Nature thread where humans and human-made objects are not allowed. In these alternative weekly threads, contributors are encouraged to interpret "nature photography" as they see fit. The thread is open to a variety of creative ways to see, to photograph, and to interpret nature, with no imposed restrictions other than there being a relationship to what you think of as nature. A photo may be tightly or loosely aligned with nature. [sometimes, getting the viewer to think a little harder about the connection to nature can actually make a profound photographic statement about nature itself.] So, please, think inside or outside the box. Variety is the spice of life."

 

(The sentence in brackets could be omitted as it might seem to advocate for something rather than simply allowing for it. I included it above just to help make a point about the rationale for allowing certain more loosely-related types of photos.)