nickdesmedt Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Hello, my name is Nick De Smedt. I'm a student at the University of Ghent, Belgium. For my master thesis, I've created a picture comment generator. To test this, I've set up a platform that contains 50 picture-comment combinations. Could you please take a couple of minutes of your time and rate these comments? This is the link: http://193.190.127.170:4242/ Please note that the comments are heavily preprocessed (capitals and punctuation removed) and might contain abbreviations/technical terms. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me here or at npdsmedt.desmedt@ugent.be Kind regards, Nick De Smedt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 While I sometimes think that some comments here are automated, I'm not exactly clear WHY you are doing this. And I am NOT going to click on your site. Welcome to Photo.net, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Vongries Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Nick De Smedt Frankly, I doubt you will get many responses without a detailed explanation, and even then, most prudent individuals avoid strange links. Possibly some other venue or approach may prove more effective. Good Luck with your project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickdesmedt Posted December 27, 2017 Author Share Posted December 27, 2017 While I sometimes think that some comments here are automated, I'm not exactly clear WHY you are doing this. And I am NOT going to click on your site. Welcome to Photo.net, I guess. I'm doing this for scientific research purposes. I need people to rate these comments to see if the computer generated ones are clearly distuingishable from the human ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim_Lookingbill Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I'm doing this for scientific research purposes. I need people to rate these comments to see if the computer generated ones are clearly distuingishable from the human ones. Science tells me and others not to click on non-secure and non-traditional IP addresses from strangers on the internet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Vongries Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I'm doing this for scientific research purposes Yeah, well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kahn Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I think I'll pass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wouter Willemse Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 For the nay-sayers: the email address posted is consistent with the university mentioned, and the user's name is typical for the region too. So the sceptism, while logical (see below), may for once be misplaced.... YET.... Nick, there have been requests like this multiple times on this site, and quite often either click-bait or outright phishing attempts. So it's very logical people are suspicious, and a link to an IP address with no means of validating its validity is a great way to harvest some malware. Likewise, if your webserver is a legit thing, posting its address on a website is a great way to attract unwanted traffic, so I hope you have considered your security. Furthermore, it would already help if you'd be more clear about the purpose of your research: instead of simplifying it to "distinguish between computer generated comments and human comments", how about a bit of an idea what that yields scientifically? Are the computer generated comments based on image analysis using large datasets to use determine which comment to use? What are you actually trying to prove? It could help people persuade participating. Just saying it's scientific and asking people to risk their computer safety is a bit a stretch. So, yes, count me in with those that do not click the link. Hopefully the above comment however could give a bit an idea of how you could easier persuade people to do participate instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norma Desmond Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Shouldn’t PN administration play a role here? Shouldn’t there be some way of monitoring such posts and either verifying them or deleting them in order to ensure the security of membership? Maybe that’s asking too much. I really don’t know. But I, too, wouldn’t click until I knew more. 1 We didn't need dialogue. We had faces! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Wouter has it absolutely right. Everyone these days has been bit by supposed "research" that turns out badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottroberts Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I'm not interested in anyone who wants to see if a computer response is as good as a humans'. I hate the damn things, and think such research is a bad idea... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Javkin Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Science isn't a bunch of answers to a bunch of random hypotheses: "See if this happens, see if that happens, etc." For a question or hypothesis to be meaningful, it has to be part of some larger structure or theory. I don't know if you'll have any success in getting photo.net member to help you, but you might try by explaining what you are doing more fully or providing references to published materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_hutcherson Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Science isn't a bunch of answers to a bunch of random hypotheses: "See if this happens, see if that happens, etc." For a question or hypothesis to be meaningful, it has to be part of some larger structure or theory. I don't know if you'll have any success in getting photo.net member to help you, but you might try by explaining what you are doing more fully or providing references to published materials. As someone who has an advanced degree in a "hard" science, it often astounds me how many folks I work with who just completely forget the scientific method in their research. Just as a refresher- 1. Make an observation 2. Formulate questions based on observation 3. Generate a hypothesis that might explain those questions 4. Design an experiment to test the hypothesis 5. Evaluate the data from the experiment to see if it is consistent with the hypothesis So, I'll go back to the fundamentals and ask what observation led to the eventual design of this experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeBu Lamar Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 To me that's easy. Picture comments are first and foremost should be only positive, nothing negative. Second the comment should have no mention of anything in the contents of the pictures. People would like that and of course they are all useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen_S Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Sorry, the survey exceeded my attention span and I didn't finish. - If I post pictures online, I'll get stupid comments (at least outside this nice community). Do I need artificial intelligence to generate those? - IDK. - I am sure real AI should be able to generate something helpful by now. - But why should it try to impose a human? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidTriplett Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I'm among those who chose not to click on the link. From a theoretical perspective, I have very serious doubts as to both the desirability and plausibility of meaningful critiques generated by AI. When I choose to critique an image I employ all of the very highest intellectual operations, on both right and left sides of my brain. Then, I very carefully select the language, both words and tone, I will use to communicate my thoughts. Until we have an "emotion chip" that works at least as well as Data's (Star Trek reference, for all you non-nerds), I don't see how a computer generated critique will be nearly as meaningful as those offered by thoughtful, knowledgeable, and considerate people. I'm reminded (again) of my wife's explanation of art to our daughters: When asked what something "means", she explained that it is not so much about meaning as it is about how the art makes one feel. Until a machine has feelings, this all appears a moot point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norma Desmond Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 it is not so much about meaning as it is about how the art makes one feel I think an alternative can be offered so that the importance of feelings in art is communicated but not at the expense of meaning. Art can be and often is very much about and dependent on meaning and meaning doesn't, IMO, necessarily play second fiddle to feelings. What would a Shakespeare play be to me without the import of meaning? I can't imagine. Poetry is sound, music, and meaning, isn't it? How could symbolism, so vital to so much art, operate without meaning? How do I feel anything for the goings on in a film like Schindler's List if I don't get the meaning behind it? Much art is as important for the meanings it conveys as for the feelings it generates. Sometimes the meaning is actually quite a bit more important than the feelings involved. "What does this mean?" seems to me a very important question to ask of any work of art. When I read a book I seem to read it with my eyes only, but now and then I come across a passage, perhaps only a phrase, which has a meaning for me, and it becomes part of me. —Somerset Maugham We didn't need dialogue. We had faces! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim_Lookingbill Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 "What does this mean?" seems to me a very important question to ask of any work of art. In reference to this topic that would have to be determined by the AI within the computer algorithm. I don't see what alternative POV's about feelings and meanings purported within the creative process has to do with artificial intelligence unless just for the sake of arguing. I think all of us here can figure out artificial intelligence has a long way to go before it can come across as having real and genuine empathy, feelings and meaningfulness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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