and Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Hi all, I'm in the process of preparing my first photo exhibition. I would like to go frame-free, as the cost of framing 16 12 by 18 images might come close $1000, which is something I would rather avoid (I'm also partly driven by minimalist aesthetics, as my images are abstract, but cost is the main issue). Are there any good options/techniques that would allow me to save money while not compromising on presentation? I know people do it (Wolfgang Tillmans, for example), but I have no idea how. All suggestions will be appreciated! Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles_Webster Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 I don't get where 16 frames for 12X18 images could cost $1000! When I had an exhibition of my photos, I needed 22 images each 10X15. I bought pre-cut mats and backing boards from matcutter.com for about $7 per pair. I bought mimimalist black metal frames with glass at Michael's Art Supplies for $12 each, on sale from $18 each. With the cost of printing them myself (about $7 per print), it cost me less than $30 per print. All materials were archival, and mounting was reversible using archival corners and linen tape. A little research will find the resources you need. Using pre-cut mats makes mounting a cinch, no cutting skill is needed. <Chas> 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PapaTango Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Echoing Charles, and I buy my frames of all sort at Michaels as well. "I See Things..." The FotoFora Community Experience [Link] A new community for creative photographers. Come join us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chazfenn Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 You could use pre-streched artists canvas in the next larger size & spray-mount adhesive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_olander1664878205 Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 How about this: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBen Posted September 13, 2017 Share Posted September 13, 2017 Gatorfoam board photo mounting -- I like it. Is it available in Canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles_Webster Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 You still have to hang them. My experience with gatorfoam mounting was that it wasn't durable. The least knock dented or bent the foam board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_rochkind Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I've gone to all metal. No frame, and they sell better than matted prints. Look better, too. I use Adoramapix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tholte Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Like Marc says, metal prints are getting very popular for many reasons. They are light, easy to hang and with the mount on the back, stand out from the wall to give some dimensionality. They are good for many types of images, especially colorful landscapes, city scenes etc. If someone happens to slobber on the print, just wipe off with a damp cloth and you are back in business. I order mine from Nations Lab but there are many labs (Mpix, Adorama, WHCC, Whitewall, Aluminize etc.) that do a good job. A 12x18 metal print with mount is currently $44.00 but they have numerous sales where they are often discounted 33% or more. Getting a good print, matt and frame for less than $44 is tough to do. Free shipping on orders over $49. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Vongries Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I'm sure metal prints have their benefits, both in ease of display and durability, but to me they fall into the decor category. Like something from the store that starts with an "I". Usable, durable, well designed, even attractive, but entirely disposable. They will never be worth as much as when they were purchased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_rochkind Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Different photographers sell different prints to different people for different purposes. For me, I sell only at art shows, and nobody is interested in buying as a collector. Only as a gift, or to hang on the wall to enjoy. Metal sells much better than a matted print, and to sell framed prints is much too difficult, considering the logistical problems of transport without damage, setting up, breaking down, packing, etc. Metal is extremely easy to transport from show to show. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn McCreery Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I think that metal prints look OK for colorful subjects (the more colorful the better), but the majority of prints that I display and sell in a local art association gallery are black and white, so I go along with Charles's approach. A big advantage for me of displaying matted prints in metal frames is that when a print does not sell or the art association changes the theme of an upcoming show, is that I can simply remove a print from it's frame and insert a new print, saving storage space and the cost and effort of new framing. I have standardized all of my displayed prints as either 11" x 14"" or 10" x 15" size mounted in 16" x 20" Nielson black metal frames. Besides, at the risk of being considered a retro-grouch, if it's good enough for Ansel, it's good enough for me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tholte Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I'm sure metal prints have their benefits, both in ease of display and durability, but to me they fall into the decor category. Like something from the store that starts with an "I". Usable, durable, well designed, even attractive, but entirely disposable. They will never be worth as much as when they were purchased. "but to me they fall into the decor category" that's because most photography that people buy is for decorative purposes. Why do you think a framed and matted (especially when some posters said to get their frames at Michels) will be worth as much as when they were purchased? Not trying to be argumentative but am not following you. Not many photo collectors out there but there are a lot of people looking for "décor" to enlighten and enhance their offices, living rooms etc. Go to the really good art fairs and you will notice more and more metal prints of all sizes but mostly really big. Rich people with big houses and big vacation homes have big walls they like to fill up with big images (paintings, photos etc.) You gotta keep your finger on the pulse and understand the new paradigm of displaying photos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Vongries Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 You gotta keep your finger on the pulse and understand the new paradigm of displaying photos. Actually, I don't. Since I don't need to sell photos, what sells to your customers is irrelevant. Taste is taste and has nothing to do with money. I haven't seen metal photo prints at any gallery or art show over the last several years. Flea markets, street fairs, yes. Art, it is not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn McCreery Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I can understand Marc's and tholte's argument, and if I were making prints to actually make money, I would probably follow their advise. Fortunately, photography is mostly a hobby, and I can now afford to be a purist and follow my own personal aesthetic vision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tholte Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Actually, I don't. Since I don't need to sell photos, what sells to your customers is irrelevant. Taste is taste and has nothing to do with money. I haven't seen metal photo prints at any gallery or art show over the last several years. Flea markets, street fairs, yes. Art, it is not. You have to get out more Sandy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tholte Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I can understand Marc's and tholte's argument, and if I were making prints to actually make money, I would probably follow their advise. Fortunately, photography is mostly a hobby, and I can now afford to be a purist and follow my own personal aesthetic vision. Don't quite follow the "purist" thing relating to matts and frames (especially from Michels) but you should do what is best for you and not look back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn McCreery Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 What most appeals to me are full tonal-range black and white prints. I have a long background in darkroom work and feel that making my own prints is part of the process, so I spend money on quality ink jet paper, and make the best prints that I can. I do not use frames from Michael's (but might not object to using them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tholte Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 What most appeals to me are full tonal-range black and white prints. I have a long background in darkroom work and feel that making my own prints is part of the process, so I spend money on quality ink jet paper, and make the best prints that I can. I do not use frames from Michael's (but might not object to using them). If you do your own printing you can easily ignore my suggestion to the original poster about metal prints. However, if you get in an experimental mood, you may want to scan one of your b&w negatives and have a metal print made to see how it holds up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles_Webster Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I see the OP has not commented on this thread. I wonder if he's still reading? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Reid Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I wonder if he's still reading In my opinion, it really doesn't matter whether the OP ever saw any of the responses or not--the info that you all provide in a thread like this is extremely useful to a lot of us who never thought to ask the question in the first place. Your sharing of expertise is NEVER wasted! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tholte Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 I see the OP has not commented on this thread. I wonder if he's still reading? All my delusional verbiage wasted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Vongries Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 All my delusional verbiage wasted! Tintype was popular and cheap back around the Civil War...:D Go for it if that turns your crank. some things don't change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_bowring Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Excuse my ignorance but what exactly is a "metal print"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Vongries Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Simply stated, the photo is printed on sheet metal instead of paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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