What is the widest lens that will work on a Busch Pressman Model C?

Hello, according to this thread: Wide Angle Lens for Busch Pressman 2.25x3.25

a 65mm Schneider Super Angulon lens is likely workable, and a 58mm Konica might be workable.

Hello, according to this thread: Wide Angle Lens for Busch Pressman 2.25x3.25

 

a 65mm Schneider Super Angulon lens is likely workable, and a 58mm Konica might be workable.

Thanks. My Pressman has the quick change lensboard with the "finger" screw at the top of the front standard, so it's trivial to remove it to install a lens on a separate board, though getting a lensboard maybe another matter.

Andrew, w/a lenses contemporary with your camera include the 65/6.8 Angulon and the 65/6.8 Optar/Raptar. The Angulon and Optar have different designs but perform very similarly; both are marginal on 2.25" x 3.25". The 80/6.3 Wide Field Ektar more than covers but is closer to normal.

Modern w/a lenses? There are many fine ones but which can be used on the 2x3 Pressman is limited by the camera's small lens throat. If the lens' rear cell can't pass through the front standard, it can't be used on the camera. Here's a link to a collection of links to lens makers' catalogs: Where to look for information on lenses.docx

Measure your camera's lens throat, then look for lenses that can be fitted.

A previous post mentioned the 58/5.6 Konica Hexanon as fitted to Koni Omega/Rapid Omega cameras. I have one, also the earlier 60/5.6 KH. Fine lenses that cover 2x3. Poisoned gifts because they're unusable in their native #0 shutters, which are tailored to work on the KO camera. To use them on any other camera te cells have to be extracted from the KO shutter -- easy, just unscrew them -- and remounted in a regular #0 shutter. The regular shutter's aperture will have to be scaled for them. The lenses aren't free, #0 shutters aren't free and neither is rescaling.

Before you go overboard on y'r Pressman C, consider whether you might be better off with a 2x3 Crown Graphic. I make the suggestion because Crown Graphics are much better supported -- boards are easy to find -- and are much friendlier to w/a lenses.

Andrew, w/a lenses contemporary with your camera include the 65/6.8 Angulon and the 65/6.8 Optar/Raptar. The Angulon and Optar have different designs but perform very similarly; both are marginal on 2.25" x 3.25". The 80/6.3 Wide Field Ektar more than covers but is closer to normal.

 

Modern w/a lenses? There are many fine ones but which can be used on the 2x3 Pressman is limited by the camera's small lens throat. If the lens' rear cell can't pass through the front standard, it can't be used on the camera. Here's a link to a collection of links to lens makers' catalogs: Where to look for information on lenses.docx

Measure your camera's lens throat, then look for lenses that can be fitted.

 

A previous post mentioned the 58/5.6 Konica Hexanon as fitted to Koni Omega/Rapid Omega cameras. I have one, also the earlier 60/5.6 KH. Fine lenses that cover 2x3. Poisoned gifts because they're unusable in their native #0 shutters, which are tailored to work on the KO camera. To use them on any other camera te cells have to be extracted from the KO shutter -- easy, just unscrew them -- and remounted in a regular #0 shutter. The regular shutter's aperture will have to be scaled for them. The lenses aren't free, #0 shutters aren't free and neither is rescaling.

 

Before you go overboard on y'r Pressman C, consider whether you might be better off with a 2x3 Crown Graphic. I make the suggestion because Crown Graphics are much better supported -- boards are easy to find -- and are much friendlier to w/a lenses.

The throat is the round part just inside the lensboard mounting area, correct? I got the Pressman C for free, along with a bunch of film holders and an Adapt-A-Roll 620, so I'm not out anything for the camera. Would it be possible to use lenses with fungus to the point of etching the glass, as a source of #0 Shutters?

I've never had a lens in shutter that had fungus. The lens, that is. As far as I know fungus in a lens shouldn't affect the shutter. Undesireable/damaged lenses in shutter are a fine source of shutters. But and however used shutters usually need overhauls.

If you're thinking of reshuttering a 58/5.6 or 60/5.6 KH be aware that although a 58's cells will go into a #0 Press shutter, a 60's cells won't. For them a cock-and-shoot #0 is needed.

What's the difference between a #0 press shutter, and a Cock-and-shoot #0? What would be undesirable lenses? I would think damaged lenses would have major scratching of the glass, and broken glass. I'm new at the large format type cameras. I think the only lenses that I've had that might have or had, fungus, is the lens in a 6x6 slide viewer I got with the camera, and the eyepiece lenses in a couple of stereo slide viewers, one of them is a Kodak, and the other a Stereo Realist. The 6x6 slide viewer lens, and the Stereo Realist lenses cleaned up nice, though I haven't tried the Kodak lenses yet, and one of the Stereo Realist lenses needs to be reglued.

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What's the difference between a #0 press shutter, and a Cock-and-shoot #0? What would be undesirable lenses? I would think damaged lenses would have major scratching of the glass, and broken glass. I'm new at the large format type cameras. I think the only lenses that I've had that might have or had, fungus, is the lens in a 6x6 slide viewer I got with the camera, and the eyepiece lenses in a couple of stereo slide viewers, one of them is a Kodak, and the other a Stereo Realist. The 6x6 slide viewer lens, and the Stereo Realist lenses cleaned up nice, though I haven't tried the Kodak lenses yet, and one of the Stereo Realist lenses needs to be reglued.

 

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press shutters are self-cocking. Pressing the shutter release first cocks and then fires the shutter. cock-and-shoot shutters have cocking levers and release levers. Cock the shutter with the cocking lever, fire it with the release lever.

Undesireable lenses are lenses that are in low demand. For example, most tessar types.

2x3 is generally considered medium format, not large format. But 2x3 press cameras are small versions of 4x5 press cameras and 4x5 is seen as large format. It you want to learn about LF photography, go to www.largeformatphotography,info and read the FAQs, Ask questions in the forum. photo.net is a poor source of information about LF photography.

There are also books, IMO more can be learned more rapidly from a good book than from short often half-assed answers on forums. Two books that are often recommended on LFPF are Leslie Strobel's View Camera Technique and Steve Simmons' Understanding the View Camera

2x3 is generally considered medium format, not large format. But 2x3 press cameras are small versions of 4x5 press cameras and 4x5 is seen as large format. It you want to learn about LF photography, go to www.largeformatphotography,info and read the FAQs, Ask questions in the forum. photo.net is a poor source of information about LF photography.

There are also books, IMO more can be learned more rapidly from a good book than from short often half-assed answers on forums. Two books that are often recommended on LFPF are Leslie Strobel's View Camera Technique and Steve Simmons' Understanding the View Camera

press shutters are self-cocking. Pressing the shutter release first cocks and then fires the shutter. cock-and-shoot shutters have cocking levers and release levers. Cock the shutter with the cocking lever, fire it with the release lever.

 

Undesireable lenses are lenses that are in low demand. For example, most tessar types.

 

The shutter on the camera lens that's on it is a cock-and-shoot shutter, meaning I'm already used to cocking my own. I also have one other camera with a cock-and-shoot shutter.

press shutters are self-cocking. Pressing the shutter release first cocks and then fires the shutter. cock-and-shoot shutters have cocking levers and release levers. Cock the shutter with the cocking lever, fire it with the release lever.

 

Undesireable lenses are lenses that are in low demand. For example, most tessar types.

 

2x3 is generally considered medium format, not large format. But 2x3 press cameras are small versions of 4x5 press cameras and 4x5 is seen as large format. It you want to learn about LF photography, go to www.largeformatphotography,info and read the FAQs, Ask questions in the forum. photo.net is a poor source of information about LF photography.

 

There are also books, IMO more can be learned more rapidly from a good book than from short often half-assed answers on forums. Two books that are often recommended on LFPF are Leslie Strobel's View Camera Technique and Steve Simmons' Understanding the View Camera

The shutter on the camera lens that's on it is a cock-and-shoot shutter, meaning I'm already used to cocking my own. I also have one other camera with a cock-and-shoot shutter.

The Thing (from another world) 1951 -- Scotty's camera and comparison of 'baby' to full-size Graflex"

As noted, many modern lenses will work in the camera--as long as the rear element can be safely unscrewed and placed on an installed lens board--by reattaching through the camera back. I have had to do this with my full-size Busch D. The issue is that lens boards for both models is smaller than a similar Graphic cameras.

It is important to note that even though such lenses may be successfully used--your camera may no longer fold and close due to the depth of the rear element housing... :confused:

Not a deal breaker, but be careful you don't end up with a camera breaker! :p

Bob, all #0 shutters will accept cells from a 58/5.6 Konica Hexanon/Omegon.

Only cock-and-shoot #0s will accept cells from a 60/5.6 KH. Press shutters have the diaphragm set farther back that cock-and-shoot shutters. The 60 KH's rear cell will foul a #0 press shutter's diaphragm. The 58's rear cell (different design) will clear. I have both lenses and both types of shutter.

Look at short lenses for 2x3.xlsx It is a list of lenses with focal lengths 65 mm and shorter that cover 2x3 (= 6x9). Most concerned about whether they can be mounted on and focused to infinity on my 2x3 Graphics. Incomplete like all such lists but I don’t think anything significant is missing.

Bob, all #0 shutters will accept cells from a 58/5.6 Konica Hexanon/Omegon.

 

Only cock-and-shoot #0s will accept cells from a 60/5.6 KH. Press shutters have the diaphragm set farther back that cock-and-shoot shutters. The 60 KH's rear cell will foul a #0 press shutter's diaphragm. The 58's rear cell (different design) will clear. I have both lenses and both types of shutter.

 

Look at short lenses for 2x3.xlsx It is a list of lenses with focal lengths 65 mm and shorter that cover 2x3 (= 6x9). Most concerned about whether they can be mounted on and focused to infinity on my 2x3 Graphics. Incomplete like all such lists but I don’t think anything significant is missing.

So, it doesn't matter if it's a Copal or a Compur for example?

Make doesn't matter. Compur and Copal #0 and #1 shutters conform to the #0 and #1 standard. Type of shutter -- self-cocking, cock-and-shoot -- can, but not for the 58/5.6 Konica Hexanon/Omegon.

Did Wollensak make a #0 Rapax shutter, and did they use it on with the Wollensak 101/4.5 lens?

Bob, shutters made in Rochester -- makers were B&L, Ilex and its successor Melles Griot, Kodak and Wollensak -- do not conform to the Compur/Copal standard. You can't put cells that fit a Copal #0 into a shutter from a 101/4.5 Wolly.

ok. What shutters do conform?

ok. What shutters do conform?

Bob, ignorance isn't exactly a sin. Laziness is.

Here's a link to a list of links that have, among them, answers to your question and many more.

Where to look for information on lenses.pdf

Help yourself. I've had enough.

Bob, ignorance isn't exactly a sin. Laziness is.

 

Here's a link to a list of links that have, among them, answers to your question and many more.

 

Where to look for information on lenses.pdf

 

Help yourself. I've had enough.

I found the Information I was looking for here: Shutters in lenses for large format photography It's under "Modern shutters: Copals, Compurs and Prontors" "by Bob Salomon"

"Today the thread size for the lens cells of all 0, 01, 1, 3 shutters from Copal, Compur, Prontor, Noble, Horseman, Rollei and Seiko are identical as are the thread sizes to attach them to the lens boards. Old shutters from various manufacturers varied the sizes but today they are standardized as are the lens cell thread sizes."

So I have a fair amount of shutters to choose from.