The 5D Mark IV is finally announced

<p>The 5D Mark IV is finally announced. It's going to start shipping as soon as early September. Hoping to get some real user reviews soon.<br>

https://youtu.be/8Z9089048wk<br>

What will dual pixel raw really deliver? 30MP will really push us towards new raid disks - again. I would have been happy with 20-ish MP.</p>

<p>i will wait.. my local camera store wants <em>€4129</em> for the body only.</p>

 

<p>Well, it's about time! How long has it been since the 5DIII was announced? Four years?</p>

<p>Looks impressive, but, yes, the file sizes will be greater. How will noise be at low light and high ISO with all those pixels?</p>

<p>I found out about it on an Adorama ad for pre-ordering--about an hour ago. By morning, I guess that the news will be all over the place. I'm not seeing too much just yet.</p>

<p>--Lannie</p>

<p>According to Canonrumors.com it will start shipping by early September. I wasn't expecting it to be that soon. Did it used to be like that? <br>

I'm going to Photokina this year so I hope to be able to try it out a little bit there and decide after that.</p>

<p>I think they got the features right. As I skipped the mkIII and went for the 6D, I think I will go for this one, if I handle it and like it and can get a decent price. The two new lenses were needed, but I won't be getting those as I have the 24-70 and (somewhat reluctantly) got the 16-35 f4, both of which are first rate. In 6 months time they will announce a 6DII which will be interesting too.</p>

<p>4K is a sensible move. That alone will ensure it is a massive hit straight away.</p>

<p>From a long time user of the 5D2 I would appreciate the superior AF, WiFi, GPS and the touch screen. All big reasons for me to upgrade. If it has decent weather sealing then it's going to be my next DSLR for certain.</p>

<p>B&H says that the weather sealing is significantly enhanced.</p>

<p>For the video guys, the dual-pixel AF, touch-screen focus steering and 4k should be huge. For still photographers, the AF improvements are incremental, but appreciated. I might be tempted to jump if the dynamic range improves significantly over my 5DsR and 7D MkII. I'm in waiting mode.</p>

I'm tempted to buy this but I'm afraid they might announce the mark V soon. ;)

 

But seriously, dual pixel raw is a bit vague in the description. Presumably some sort of sharpening control and probably a feature that only

Canon's software can adjust in post processing. I'd like to see samples of what it can do.

<p>Dynamic range...I knew that would come up...presumably better in the same way that the 80D is better than the 70D (or 7DII). Not important to me though. Also of note, the new 5DIV is now essentially the same weight (+15 g) as the 6D: a small change, but welcome to those of us who preferred the lighter weight of the 6D over the 5DIII. Dual pixel non-AF features seem of dubious benefit.</p>

<p>For my shooting needs, the 5DII has served me very well, apart from its relatively poor low ISO dynamic range (compared to film). If the 5DIV is significantly improved in this regard, I'll definitely acquire one. A little more resolution wouldn't hurt, either.</p>

<p>I guess for me this proves JDM's adage that it's best to "upgrade" at <em>every other </em>iteration.</p>

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<p>Also of note, the new 5DIV is now essentially the same weight (+15 g) as the 6D: a small change, but welcome to those of us who preferred the lighter weight of the 6D over the 5DIII.</p>

 

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<p>I extrapolated incorrectly from other internet quoted specs. The-digital-picture says that, although the IV is 70 g lighter than the III, it is still about 100g heavier than the 6D. </p>

<p>Good blend of features with 7 fps, 30 MP and improved AF but priced much too high. For the same price I'd still rather have the 5DS or 5DSr for my full frame body.</p>

<p>Adorama and B&H both have reviews of the 5D MKIV. Jeff Ascough has a very good review on Facebook. Everybody run out in September and get one or two of them to keep Canon producing these fantastic cameras.</p>

<p>It has a ne sensor so I wonder if they improved the dynamic range some.</p>

<p>I agree the price is high, but it is was pretty well expected as this was the same price as the 5DII and III on release. Incremental upgrades and high prices: this is the way it seems to be. I suspect that Canon know that they can get away with this price as they have so often in the past. The 6DII will certainly be a more reasonable price.</p>

<p>> How will noise be at low light and high ISO with all those pixels?</p>

<p>30 MP not that many for a full frame. My 7D is still great with low noise at 18MP and crop sensor -- I suspect the 5D MIV to be **MUCH better** than the old 7D's low light, high ISO capability.</p>

<p>Hello from a roaming Nikonian browsing to see how much fuss there is... Glad to see Canon finally (allegedly) improving on the dynamic range front - we'll have to see whether they've actually caught up when there are tests, but an improvement is welcome. I really rely on the dynamic range in my D810, so - while not relevant to every shot - I can vouch for the benefit. Dual-pixel capture sounds interesting, especially given the trouble I have nailing focus. Storage with a 30MP sensor isn't ridiculous, at least with (lossless) compressed raw. As for low light, the D810 is decent and the A7RII is not far behind state of the art, so I'd not panic about 30MP.<br />

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It's certainly not going to make me ditch all my Nikkor glass, but it seems like a solid, if incremental, improvement - possibly a little smaller than the 5D2-5D3 upgrade, but more than the D800-D810 upgrade (which I took). Obviously I'm waiting for whatever Nikon do with the D8x0 series, but at least Canon are moving on. (I jumped to Nikon out of frustration while waiting for the 5D2 - they've taken their time in the past.) I'm not getting a huge "wow" from the posts on this thread so far, but maybe there'll be more excitement when the reviews roll in? Or maybe cameras are just very good these days, and it's hard to wow someone with a new body. I live in hope that someone will get 60fps capture out of an 8K sensor at least as a burst which you can use for frame selection...</p>

<p>Dual pixel raw only works with the Canon software.</p>

<p>Thank you for your condescending post Andrew. Canon has different priorities and is not in a race with Nikon.</p>

<p>For the video-heads, the MkIV is a huge step, thanks to dual pixel continuance AF. For still photographers it's just another incremental step forward. For me, the big news is the new Series II and III lenses. The huge, deep Canon system just got deeper. </p>

<p>Yes, indeed, a little condescending.</p>

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<p>I really rely on the dynamic range in my D810, so - while not relevant to every shot - I can vouch for the benefit.</p>

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<p>Why? Are your exposures off? I really don't get this. Dynamic range issues virtually never enter into my consciousness as an issue. I don't think anyone was suggesting you switch, by the way.</p>

<p>I guess the mystery continues as to why the 5D series continue to sell so well when they are obviously so catastrophically compromised.</p>

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<p>Why? Are your exposures off? I really don't get this. Dynamic range issues virtually never enter into my consciousness as an issue.</p>

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<p>You evidently have never had the misfortune of having to shoot in the midday sun, Robin. With a family of youngish children, it's a circumstance I find myself in all too frequently.</p>

<p>It's not a matter of exposures being off, but rather whether to expose for the shadows and blow out the highlights, or to expose for the highlights and lose detail in the shadows. That's precisely the conundrum with which I'm often faced when shooting with DR-challenged DSLR's. It's much less of a problem when I shoot with Kodak Ektar 100 film, for example, so it's not a question of an inability to obtain correct exposures, but rather an inherent limitation with the digital sensors I'm using. And that's why I would welcome any improvements Canon makes with respect to low ISO DR.</p>

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<p>Odd, I didn't find Andrew's response condescending at all. In fact, it seemed cordial in the same way mine (as a Canon fan) would be if posting in the Nikon forum.<br>

Anyhoo, I am frequently challenged by dynamic range limitations on my 5D (Mk1). Situations where pixels are falling off both ends of the histogram at the same time. I am really optimistic about the Mk IV, especially since I've learned to stop resisting the adoption of moving pictures to supplement the stills. The dual pixel focus will be a useful feature (I always begin the editing process in Digital Photo Professional so the proprietary nature of dual pixel won't bother me) and the added wifi and gps will definitely be welcome. I'm looking forward to it, my poor old 5D has almost 300,000 shutter actuations and it has never let me down.</p>

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<p>Odd, I didn't find Andrew's response condescending at all.</p>

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<p>Likewise. There are also those of us crazy enough to shoot both--when we can afford it. <br /> <br />After a financial near miss after a job loss in autumn, 2011, I had to sell almost all of my Canon gear off in 2012, but it was never because I thought that it was inferior. Selling off my top-tier Canon gear simply raised a lot of money in a hurry. (I had no Nikon bodies at the time, and only a couple of Nikon second- or third-tier lenses to use on a Kodak 14n body until I could get back on my feet.)</p>

<p>When I could afford to start buying again, I began leaning toward Nikon in terms of purchases starting with the D800E (which, as a resolution freak, I absolutely had to have), but I got <a href="/photo/18278119&size=md">a "new" long Canon L lens with early IS</a> a couple of weeks ago to use <a href="/photo/18278093&size=lg">on my now vintage T2i</a>--and I'm <a href="/photo/18277584&size=lg">blown away all over again</a> by Canon's awesome auto-focus. Wish I had the 7D II--but it can wait. Dangerous to get compulsive about having to have the best all the time. Not an option for me, in any case.</p>

<p>I'll use whatever works for my immediate needs. I have no brand loyalties anymore. Been a Canon shooter since 1982 and don't feel the need to prove my "loyalty" to either camp. I can't achieve "parity" across both brands as Dan South could, in any case. Just not rich enough. <em>Even if I could, I wouldn't. Too complicated.</em> My point is that I never ever bought one over the other because I thought that either brand was better across the board. It's never that simple. They keep leap-frogging. Only fools play the latest-and-greatest game.<br /> <br /> I was the one who made the remark above about noise and "all those pixels," based primarily on my D800E experience. The big Nikon is still a great camera, but at 36 MP it is not (could never be) my low-light, high-ISO ace--and I doubt that the 5D IV is going to be Canon's best low-light camera--but it will be very good for what it was designed. As a night shooter (among other things), I actually wish I had the 6D (or the 5D III more generally), but I cannot justify either right now. Maybe later. Maybe never. Fortunes change. So do passions.</p>

<p>--Lannie</p>

<p ><a href="/photodb/user?user_id=218731">Trey Cartwright</a> said:</p>

 

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<p>I'm tempted to buy this but I'm afraid they might announce the mark V soon. ;)</p>

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<p>This is Canon, not Sony. ;-)</p>

 

<p>The dual pixel micro focus adjustment is interesting and Adobe says they will put support in Lightroom for it eventually. But from reviews I have seen from those have gotten to play with the camera already, it will not be a noticeable advantage at 50mm lens, but when you get over 80mm. Maybe real helpful for wild life photographers. The focusing system is supposed to be great and improved dynamic range.<br>

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I think it will be a great camera but I want to see more reviews. I want to see how things can be pulled out of the shadows. My primary interest is for photography and not video.<br>

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I have been hearing the video folks are disappointed that it will have a 1.74 crop on the sensor for 4K video, so the lens you are using for photos will not give the same image size for 4K video. This may have something to do with only having 1 digic 6+ processor and trying process 30 frames a second on 30meg pixel is too much of a stretch for the camera. I have also heard one hour of 4K video would have around a 256 Gig file, it is not being compressed with a good codec, so 4K video files will be huge.<br>

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It will be OK for me as I seldom play with video. But nice to know I could may catch a few minutes of 4K now and then if I wanted.<br>

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The live view touchscreen focusing looks cool. It should have better focusing than my 6D and makes it tempting for me. I also heard Canon still puts an anti-aliasing filter on the camera so I have heard sharpness would be better without the AA filter, I imagine it could be removed, not sure if that is something to be concerned with or not. My 6D does not have an aliasing filter and aliasing has never been a problem I am concerned with, but again I am primarily shooting photos.<br>

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It still uses CF and SD cards so I will not have to buy new memory cards and the camera uses the LP-E6N battery. Does anyone know if my older Canon LP-E6 batteries would be compatible with the 5D MK IV?</p>