Which simple mirrorless

<p>Hi all. I'm just doing some research for a friend. Her family is going to Greece. She wants a easy to use, inexpensive camera, lets say between the 2-under 400USD that is easy to use. Has a built in zoom lens and importantly has wifi. Something small she can throw in her purse and still get a decent picture out of instead of using her phone. I was thinking of one of the sure shots seems like it would do the job, but I'm so out of touch with those cameras I was wondering if any of you had any suggestions. She doesn't need the latest/greatest tech, but it does need to have workable wifi and of course a zoom lens. She will probably just shoot in program, point and shoot mode so it can have simple controls.<br>

Thanks for any suggestions.</p>

<p>Rather than mirrorless (in the sense of mirrorless system cameras with exchangable lenses), given the needs, I'd look at "premium compacts", and to stay within budget, last years' models. Cameras as the Sony RX100 models or the Panasonic LX series are pretty excellent allrounders. The Nikon 1 series (which are mirrorless system cameras) can often be found at low prices, and offer quite simplified controls and decent performance. They're also small and light, which they'll probably see as an advantage as well.<br>

What exactly is the expectation of wifi on the camera? Just to be sure, as possibly it can just be cheaper to get a cardreader for a tablet or notebook and copy images over, rather than insisting on wifi which might drive up the price of the camera.</p>

<p>Wouter has it. RX100 II or RX100 III can be found on the used market for good prices. The RX100 III has the better aperture range across the zoom but it's pretty short (24mm-70mm equiv)</p>

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<p>Hi all. I'm just doing some research for a friend. Her family is going to Greece. She wants a easy to use, inexpensive camera, lets say between the 2-under 400USD that is easy to use. Has a built in zoom lens and importantly has wifi. Something small she can throw in her purse and still get a decent picture out of instead of using her phone.<br>

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Barry there are a ton of compact cameras from Nikon, Canon etc in the $200-$400 range. This market is declining because most people who bought these cameras are happy with the ease of use and quality results from their camera phones (the only feature missing is a zoom lens). If your friend is serious about photography a quality DSLR or Mirrorless will run about $600. I would suggest using her camera phone which has better connectivity is the best choice.</p>

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<p>Look for a camera with an eye-level viewfinder, preferably electronic.</p>

<p>There are many inexpensive mirrorless cameras with a fixed zoom lens. Most, however, have no viewfinder, so you must use the rear LCD screen at arms length. They become very difficult to see in bright sunlight, and don't offer the added support of your face when shooting.</p>

<p>Thanks guys. @Ronald. thanks I'll just go through the various Nikons and Cannon's for her. This person is not serious about photography or being a photographer, she just wants some family vacation snaps that she can upload to her computer or directly to FB. She needs a built in zoom lens, does not want a dslr she does not want a changeable lens camera. She's looking to spend 2-400 bucks. If anyone has a specific camera in mind that does all that in the price range. that would be great. I'll check out the RX100's. </p>

Samsung s7, LG g5, iPhone 6/7 if

doesn't do lowlight action

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<p>Thanks Leslie, she doesn't want a phone camera, she has one, she doesn't like using it for photos, and she's not buying a new phone. If you have anything in the parameters I stated that would be great. She doesn't want a used camera so the Sony's are budget busters. Cannon has one that is just slightly out of her range $450 that I thought had all she wanted, so its up to her now. Ive given her a couple of "best of" sites for what she's looking. I think Steve's Digicam site for a pt and shoot will be fine. He has recommendations by price range. So she pretty much has the info. Thanks for the good intentions lads.</p>

<p>Again Thanks everyone.</p>

I haven't used / found a wifi capable camera that isn't

complicated...my bad, Barry.

Here a way I used...use a micro SD card with adaptor in

cam and then put the micro SD directly into the

phone...

<p>Wi-Fi is straightforward between a Sony camera and iOS devices. It's a peer-to-peer connection, with parameters remembered by the camera. I find it useful for remote operation with viewing, and for transferring images. The A7 cameras are outside your budget, but demonstrate the feasibility of using Wi-Fi. There are Wi-Fi enabled SD cards, which work at "kissing" distance with a receiving devise. Sony Wi-Fi works up to 150 feet or so, line of sight.</p>

<p>Wifi for remote control, tethering etc. may work well for some cameras. But if the goal is to upload to Facebook from within the camera, I think pretty much all cameras that aren't a smartphone will disappoint. Hence I asked why the inclusion of Wifi mattered, as the expectation of the usefulness of wifi in the camera might be a fair bit beyond what it actually delivers.</p>

<p>It's easy to upload to a smart phone or computer, and from hence to the internet. I don't have a way to upload directly to social media, or even cloud storage, but there may be applications which will do so. Cameras are not all that "smart" in that regard.</p>

<p>Remote control via a smart phone has proven very useful. Besides taking a group photo which includes the photographer, I've used it to take ID photos of myself. That's hard to do if you have to take a lot of test photos to check the composition. It's also a way to take vibration-free closeups if you don't have a cable release handy.</p>

<p>There are Nikon, Sony and Canon all-in-one cameras that fit the bill and you'll spend 200 - 300 (or even less) if you want to go refurb or used. Stick with those brands, imho, for all-in-one compact cameras.</p>

<p>Here's a Nikon I KNOW will be decent for this. But Sony and Canon have equally good choices I bet.</p>

<p>https://www.amazon.com/Nikon-COOLPIX-Digital-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B013FARZIG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1474126749&sr=8-2&keywords=nikon+compact+wifi<br /><br /><br /></p>

<p>LX100 would be a good choice along with an RX100. might stretch the budget a bit but IQ is better. also maybe the low-end Fujis, like the X-A series. i think the new model is under $400 with lens. </p>

<p>@Edward 10:22 a.m. <br>

That is what she wants to do. I've passed on the info to her, so she can choose what she wants now. For me my tiny type camera I use the GRDIV and other wise a system camera. Its funny. She knows I'm a photographer so she thinks I know about all the cameras. I really don't have a clue about them. I never use wifi, and I'm pretty specific as to what I use myself. Thanks for all your help. That Nikon that Peter mentioned looks suitable too, I will pass it on. As to IQ, unless there's a stunning difference, she probably won't use it. I think anything with reasonably good qualities will be fine as long as she can use the wifi and a zoom and its a small footprint, also a built in flash, and I think most of them have that.<br>

Cheers</p>

<p>Meant to say, unless there is a stunning difference, she probably won't notice it unless its obvious.</p>

<p>The difference between good results and great results is more the hands, eyes, and brain of the person holding the camera than the sensor, especially these days.<br /><br />She wants to just point and shoot, but unless she really learns how to best use the camera, all its modes, etc., she won't see a "stunning difference". The photographer has to be the difference.</p>

<p>back to the original post, the Canon Sure Shots you mentioned first are really fantastic point-and-shoot cameras.</p>

<p>Thanks Peter.</p>