william_wright3 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 <p>Hey,</p><p>Possibly a very rudimentary question, but I have just acquired a couple of the original Thyristor Sunpak 120J hot shoe flashes that a little research suggests are well regarded, particularly for the price (I got my 2 for £150).</p><p>I'm wanting to use them to fire into umbrellas, but having never used bare bulb speedlights before am curious about the set up for this - namely, do you leave the reflectors on the flashes, or take them off and just fire the unmodified bare bulb into the umbrella for best results?</p><p>Any advice gratefully received! </p><p> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou_Meluso Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 <p>Generally, you leave the reflectors in place and aim them into the center of the umbrella. That gives you the softest and most controllable source. Not that bare bulb isn't useful sometimes, especially by itself, in a smaller, white toned room. Ideally, when using an umbrella you want the light to come from the broad aspect of the insides of the umbrella. Using the reflector helps focus the beam and limit spillage. Often the white umbrella is the softest light. Some umbrellas have silver or gold inserts you can add to the inside surface to up the contrast slightly or shift to a warmer tone. Some umbrella also allows you to shoot through them toward the subject for a different look. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou_Meluso Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 <p>Generally, you leave the reflectors in place and aim them into the center of the umbrella. That gives you the softest and most controllable source. Not that bare bulb isn't useful sometimes, especially by itself, in a smaller, white toned room. Ideally, when using an umbrella you want the light to come from the broad aspect of the insides of the umbrella. Using the reflector helps focus the beam and limit spillage. Often the white umbrella is the softest light. Some umbrellas have silver or gold inserts you can add to the inside surface to up the contrast slightly or shift to a warmer tone. Some umbrella also allows you to shoot through them toward the subject for a different look. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_casement Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 <p>Reflector in place, set it to Wide if you can (? not sure if the Sunpak can be set like this) Your flash will need to be at the full length of the umbrella shaft for anything like even coverage.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william_wright3 Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 <p>Ok thanks all, very useful indeed.</p> <p>Louis, I just got a silver umberella to go with the white one which I am looking forward to experimenting with.</p> <p>Ian - the Sunpak does indeed have a wide setting so will give that a go. Just curious when you say 'Your flash will need to be at the full length of the umbrella shaft for anything like even coverage' - so basically as far away from the umbrella on the stand as possible? <br> That's actually another thing I had been curious about, how close (or not) the flash should be to the umberella itself.</p> <p> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derick_miller Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Normally you would like the light to be fully striking the inside surface of the umbrella without wasting extra light by spilling around the edge. This gives you the largest sized source and greatest efficiency in using your strobe for that. The best way to determine what you are getting is to take a picture of the umbrella from where your subject would be. Properly exposed (i.e. Not blown out), this gives you a good indication of how your light source is working, if there are hotspots, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian_casement Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 <p>A barebulb set to Wide at the full extent of the umbrella shaft will give you even coverage of the umbrella.</p> <p>The geometry of umbrellas is pretty much the same unless you have a removable shaft. The position of the flash on the shaft is pretty much the same for any umbrella too.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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