Jochen_S Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 <p>A beginner question: I browsed the web & Youtube and saw folks like Bruce Gilden shooting Leicas in their right and flash in their left hand and am too dumb to figure out how focusing is done under such conditions, especially since Gilden seems to frequently crouch down to get his shots.<br> I have a 35mm Hexanon with a focusing tab. I'm somewhat able to use the tab with my right thumb, middle finger on shutter release and palm of my hand facing my cheek but it feels awkward. <br> Looking into the lens (landscape orientation) the Konica tab moves from 8 (infinity) to 4 o clock (0.7m). Are Leica focusing tabs elsewhere to make things easier? - How are you operating yours if you are shooting singlehandedly?<br> Or is successfull assault portraiture based on zone focusing and leg work? <br> Thanks in advance for your input.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter Schaefer Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 <p>Zone focusing indeed: focus is preset to a fixed distance, as is the aperture - one relies on DOF to get what one wants in focus (more or less). </p> <blockquote> <p>assault portraiture</p> </blockquote> <p>Good way to describe his style - not only having a cameras shoved into your face but be blinded by the flash going off to boot - the images he creates of his victims to me mostly show the reaction to the assault - a mixture of surprise, shock, fear, and anger. But I digress.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCL Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 <p>In the distant past we were taught to pre-focus our rangefinder cameras (SLRs were scarce). You anticipated where you wanted to be and your subject to be and prefocused on that distance...like zone focusing. I remember memorizing the size of floor tiles in some rooms where I did a fair amount of shooting for my school newspaper...you visualized your spot, counted tiles to where you wanted your subject to be and set that distance on your focusing ring, outside you knew the distance between sidewalk separation strips, the distance across the driveways, etc. Thinking back...f/8 and be there worked pretty well.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen_S Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 <p>I think Lex Jenkins was the first using the "assault portraiture" term here. - I have absolutely no clue how a human being could be capable of displaying a reaction on a flash during 1/75sec or less. If I am recalling things properly the no red eyes pre-flash in some 80s cameras took quite a while till the final exposure happened? - I felt out of touch with the ongoing action when using it.<br> Gilden appears to direct his subjects during his shots but I guess he is unusual and unexpected enough that surprise and anger haven't worn of the faces till he gets done. - I somehow like the merciless sharpness of his results, so I am getting tempted to give flash a go.<br> Back to zone focusing: It seems an option but f8 might provide just 20cm at those distances and making a lunge to get the camera down to subject eye level adds complication to the distance guesswork. - Practising might be the key here.<br> <br />I'm still wondering if somebody focuses singlehandedly and if the Leica 35mms are more suitable for that approach. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 <p>Why in the world would anyone want to copy Bruce Gilden? He is unique.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I doubt if focusing single handedly is the answer. Too difficult to hold the camera with one hand, focus and shoot, though I imagine it can be done. But if you're going to do that why not just get a fast auto focus camera? With flash, zone focus should be plenty adequate though. I'd guess that's how Gilden works if he shoots with an M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCL Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 <p>Sometimes one just has to resort to "tricks" to get the shots one wants. Here is an example from years ago (which has already appeared on his site). I saw several workmen in Malta sitting on the steps during a break, and although they were oblivious to passersby, it would have been very difficult to try to capture anything other than posed had I tried normal street shooting. So I determined where I wanted to shoot from, the approx distance to the subjects, set my focus and exposure and turned on the self-timer walking into the scene to that spot with the camera at my side. I knew my stride and where I would be at the instant of exposure. Results speak for themselves.</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen_S Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 <p>Congrats on your capture, Stephen! Marching in with a buzzing self timer didn't occur to me yet but it sounds like a plan to prepair.<br> I somehow failed entirely shopping for fast AF in the past, Ray. - I'm also not sure if I'll end doing real street photography, but using a flash in my left hand while crouched down to certain subjects' eye levels seems a way to go with gear I already have. <br> @ Bill: The advantage of unique artists is we can talk about them without linking a ton of images. - I was adviced picking masters and <em>learning</em> to copy them could help developing own skills.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 <blockquote> <p>Why in the world would anyone want to copy Bruce Gilden? He is unique.</p> </blockquote> <p>Good question! Ask Eric Kim:)<br> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Who the heck is Eric Kim? Nice pic Stephen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossb Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 <p>I think Gilden pretty much shoots from the same distance in his shots. He is pre focused or zone focused. All he has to do is jump at you and scare you enough and blast you with the flash to get the OMG look on his victims. Myself I think everyone in New York should just follow the crazy fool around and take his picture until the end of time. </p> <p>Erick Kim is on you-tube. He has that aggressive style of shooting but he does not seem to get the same look of horror and fear that Gilden can get. Kim is small and skinny and I imagine somebody will just punch him before long. </p> <p> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 <p>Try Google Ray, you won't miss him..</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Taylor Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 <p>Pre-focus, pretty easy when you take the same photo for your entire career. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob F. Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 <p>Eric Kim appears in YouTube videos, often doing street photography with a Leica. I think he calls himself "DigitalRev."</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Rowlett Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 No, DigitalRev is a different dude, but both are interesting. DigitalRev ("review") guy does a lot of camera reviews. Google both of them. Backups? We don’t need no stinking ba #.’ _ , J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Rowlett Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Eric Kim: http://erickimphotography.com/blog/ DigitalRev: http://www.digitalrev.com/ Backups? We don’t need no stinking ba #.’ _ , J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 <blockquote> <p>Pre-focus, pretty easy when you take the same photo for your entire career.</p> </blockquote> <p>His focus ring is probably rusted frozen at this point.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I know who Eric Kim is but what he does doesn't interest me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uhooru Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 <p>He likes to do the flash thing in people's face. Did I make it sound like I was? (interested)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 <p>A good friend of mine copied Gilden.<br> Even did a workshop with the man!<br> Friend was most abused student, but he persevered and they are friends.<br> Even invited to some shoots with Bruce.<br> Now the gritty!<br> Carrying a flash in one hand, camera in another..<br> I am a klutz. One or the other will fall.<br> Friend wiped out his flash..:-)<br> Now uses a ring flash contraption.<br> You set a distance say 5ft.<br> Move into that distance.<br> I personally hate flash and esp. walk by shooting.<br> B.G latest portraits with flash are awesomely horrible!<br> Not all of Bruce Gilden's pix are this way.<br> Thank goodness.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray . Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 No Barry, you didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen_S Posted February 27, 2016 Author Share Posted February 27, 2016 <p>Good point, Jason. - I wondered about carrying the 2 pieces of gear in hands + occasionally scratching my head too. Yes, "awesomely horrible" portraits would be what I'm after.<br> Which kind of ring flash contraption works with the Ms?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Herbert Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 <p>Shoving a camera with a flash into someone's face is at best shows a lack of respect for the individual....at the worst just plain crude and nasty. It takes away respect for street photography and turns it into intrusive behavior....and we wonder why many countries have a ban on street photography....</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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