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<p>Eric, that's a load of cep and you know it. No such thing as a proprietary internal HDD connector on a mac. They use standard OEM connectors available to any modern pc.<br>

WTF are you talking about? From Eric "They are talking about the msata connector to the hdd has been changed are now an Apple proprietary hdd connection. The most recent MBP's now have the ram soldiered to the logic board and make it impossible to upgrade or alter."<br>

The only connector that differs on an MBP and a pc currently is the external thunderbolt connector. The other external connectors like the USB and mini DVI connectors are still the same and I've never ever heard of soldered on RAM modules in an MBP. Where is the AUTHORITATIVE SPEC for this statement.</p>

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<p> Is it possible that your machine is unluckily a dud? </p>

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It's possible. The thing is to try it. Take an image and try to get it to display on different laptops and compare them. Really you need to find ones with Photoshop installed side by side and apply colour shifts of varying degrees and see which screens react to the colour shifts. So the ideal is to find a friend photographer who has a Retina and a non-Retina both with Photoshop, where you can compare the same image with applying the same shifts of Magenta, Cyan, Green, etc. etc.) side-by-side.<br>

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<p>Or that the rMBP's representing a colour shift less than other laptops is a problem with the other laptops, not the rMBP?</p>

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Where colour shifts are visible on every other monitor, and show up also in prints, but aren't evident on the Retina's screen, it becomes a problem.</p>

<p>You shouldn't take what I say as definitely damning the Retina's screen, I'm just one person on the internet - but I would be very cautious about all the hyperbole surrounding it when it came out. </p>

<p>I also mentioned the issues to one or two friends/acquaintances, and they told me that they'd heard other people reporting the same thing. I haven't researched it through forums etc. and don't know where they'd heard it, and so I don't know for certain if it's true - maybe I'm the only one seeing the issue and it's just a dud screen. But I would check it out before buying one. Actually, if I couldn't buy the 17" Macbook any more (and of course, it's been discontinued) then I might well buy a Retina even with the experience we have had (the Retina we have is my wife's one), because it's a cool machine. But I would do it expecting to have to do colour work using an external monitor.</p>

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>>> Eric, that's a load of cep and you know it. No such thing as a proprietary internal HDD connector on a

mac. ... and I've never ever heard of soldered on RAM modules in an MBP.

 

Eric is correct about the SSD connector (there is also a +50% benefit in transfer speed that goes along

with Apple's proprietary design). As he is about the RAM being soldered to the motherboard, and has been that way for more than a year on the MBPr and always on the MB Air. As an aside, OWC does have an SSD upgrade option available for early 2013 models (but not the Late 2013 models), if you want to tear into your machine - good luck on that...

 

Personally, that's fine with me. Heck, I moved from a 2011 MBP with SSD to a late 2012 MB Air for use on the road and could not be happier. For my use it's a great Lightroom machine when traveling and shooting. But then I'm not always on the prowl for the proverbial "The Best" this or that, that you see so much jibber-jabber about on pnet forums My photos don't seem to mind...

 

 

>>> Where is the AUTHORITATIVE SPEC for this statement.

 

Google is your friend - there is loads of information out there on this...

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<p>Its generally better to stay with the default version of Apple's format, Mac OS Extended (journaled)<br>

I have ran into file size limitations on FAT formatted drives. <br>

@Simon: I will experiment with the color shifting. But so far, when I for instance post photos on line, and view them after calibrating my iMac and my MBP retina and they look the same. But I'll give it a try.</p>

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<p>It actually calibrates and profiles quite well in my experience for a laptop.</p>

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<p>My experience too, but you need to use the right insturment. Older Colorimeters may produce poor results.</p>

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management" (pluralsight.com)

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<p>Here straight from the Apple specs: "PCIe-based flash storage in MacBook Pro"<br>

and as for RAM modules on the MBP 15 inch with Retina dips: </p>

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<li>16GB 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM--I believe these are current PC standards and not some fangled Apple creation like the thunderbolt connector.</li>

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<p>Ofey, I'm not sure we are talking at cross-purposes here, but as far as permanently affixed drives and ram, all the MBP Retina screens RAM and Drives are permanently affixed. You can't change it. OWC has a way and a method for changing the SSD, but its at your own risk. You can go to their site and see it. You can also ask them if the ram can be changed on a rMBP Haven't seen it for the ram yet. On regular non-retina MBPs you can change the drives and the ram.</p>
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<p>David, if this will be your first experience with a Mac computer I echo (strongly) the earlier recommendation of purchasing the one to one option. I changed to Apple products after using PCs for more than 25 years and there was a steep learning curve. That being said I wouldn't expect that you would have that problem with Lightroom, it appears the primary differences between Mac and PC in LR are minor (option vs alt, etc). The steep learning curve for me was with IOS vs Windows and especially with MS Office (for work) shortcuts. I have been using a 2012 MBP 17" with LR 4/5 and am very pleased with the performance in both speed and color rendition on the monitor.</p>
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<p>I have heard so much talk about MacBook Pros being so much more expensive than a PC laptop. As popular as they have become, many people will not consider then because they perceive them to be so much more expensive. Consideration is automatically ruled out because of that.<br>

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However...<br>

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MacBook Pros are well configured from the start. When I bough this damn Dell laptop, the price was low UNTIL I reconfigured it to bring up the specs to be a good (or so I thought) computer. Prices rise dramatically to get a good monitor, enough ram, decent processor etc. Bottom line is, prices of a decently configured PC laptop is comparable to a Mac. If people did their homework, I am sure even more MBPs would be sold.</p>

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<p>I agree with what Kerry Grim posted. But support is also a key issue. My experience with Dell, Lenovo and HP customer service has been nothing short of horrific over the years. Don't even get me started on Lenovo.</p>

<p>It's worth the extra cost of a Mac and Apple Care for me, because the customer support of the PC manufacturers isn't even in the same league as Apple Care. With Apple Care you aren't speaking with someone in a third world or developing country, with an accent so thick you can barely understand their English and working from a script they won't deviate from. Apple, like Canon to their credit, gives you a call center in North America and the person on the other end is generally well-trained in assisting you to trouble shoot a problem.</p>

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>>> The other external connectors like the USB and mini DVI connectors are still the same and I've

never ever heard of soldered on RAM modules in an MBP. Where is the AUTHORITATIVE SPEC for this

statement.<P>

 

>>> Here straight from the Apple specs: "PCIe-based flash storage in MacBook Pro"

and as for RAM modules on the MBP 15 inch with Retina dips: 16GB 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM--I

believe these are current PC standards and not some fangled Apple creation like the thunderbolt

connector.<P>

 

Apple uses standard electrical interfaces, but the RAM is soldered to the board on the MBP Retina and

MB Air laptops. The SSD uses a standard electrical interface as well, but is wrapped in a proprietary

design.<P>

 

<a href= "http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+13-

Inch+Retina+Display+Late+2013+Teardown/18695">Click for the big picture...</a><P>

 

When ordering, specify what you *need*, buy the Apple Care policy, and you'll be good to go with a great machine.

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<p>I just glanced at the ifixit link and Ofey is indeed correct with this MBPr. They've stopped using standard ssd (with their own connection) but now it's even worse tan before with a ssd PCIe...at the end of the article </p>

<p>"The proprietary SSD is now in a PCIe format, but still isn't a standard drive. Cross your fingers for future compatible drives; for now, you're stuck with what you've got."<br>

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Such a shame though that the battery is now soldered to the logic board along with the commonly broken items like the head phone jack. We'll be faced with $1000 repair bills and will be throwing the whole laptop away instead of replacing an $80 battery</p>

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Eric, I believe Ofey was suggesting that because the electrical interface is standard, then it's just a matter of

the owner opening up the laptop and putting in a larger SSD in the future - similar as to what could be done with older

generation MacBook Pros. Not the case - even though the *electrical* interface is a standard. RAM soldered to boards and proprietary SSD prevents that - even if you could get inside without damage risk-free.

 

 

>>> Such a shame though that the battery is now soldered to the logic board along with the commonly broken

items like the head phone jack. We'll be faced with $1000 repair bills and will be throwing the whole laptop away

instead of replacing an $80 battery

 

Apple will replace laptop batteries for (IMO) a reasonable price. I think it's $120 and while you wait at an Apple

Store.

 

Personally, I like the trade of being able to buy much smaller and lighter laptops without having to give up

performance and features. AppleCare will get you through the first three years on repairs. Personally, with

respect to Apple laptops (and I've owned a bunch), I've never had to deal with a problem or throw one away.

After 4 or so years, I'm ready for a model with a much better processor..

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<p>Personally, I like the trade of being able to buy much smaller and lighter laptops without having to give up performance and features. AppleCare will get you through the first three years on repairs. Personally, with respect to Apple laptops (and I've owned a bunch), I've never had to deal with a problem or throw one away. After 4 or so years, I'm ready for a model with a much better processor.</p>

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<p>I agree as that's been my experiences over the years. This dates back to the PowerBook 140! <br>

I've always purchased Applecare for laptops and it saved my bacon a couple times over the years. I highly recommend factoring this into the price (which you can offset for almost a year but just get it up front). <br>

Keeping old MacBooks has been very useful for me as I have software I have to access that requires Rosetta and even one product that has to run on a PowerPC chip! I can even run OS9 on one. They stack nicely in the closet for those 1 time per year needs. </p>

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<p>Personally, I wouldn't use a Laptop (Mac or PC) due to the static nature of their hardware.<br>

If I was going to use a laptop, the most important features for me would be ability and ease of upgrades for HDD, RAM, VGA card, using industry-standard connections/components. This is both to ensure I can actually do my work, and that I'm not looking to change the whole machine just because I can't upgrade or replace something.<br /><br />Lightroom does not use tons of CPU power. I edit 3-4GB TIFF/PSD files in LR and my CPU usage is low, my system RAM usage goes beyond 10GB regularly. Having 16GB on my work machine is a must.<br /><br />As already mentioned, screens are also a hugely important factor to consider.<br />I would not use a laptop screen for serious editing, I would only use it for reviewing and image admin. Editing would always have to take place on a calibrated screen, one big enough to make it useful. <br>

I.E. a 27" 2560x1440 screen. There are plenty of reasonably priced 24-27" screens that are suitable for image editing/processing. Using a good screen really makes a huge difference.<br /><br />My advice is avoid any brand that does not comply with industry standards. Apple are not the only ones who use their own bits n bobs to lock you in to their ecosystem, but unfortunatly they are the only "apple" manufacturer so if you want a Mac you are stuck with it. If you want a PC you can shop around for brands that don't play silly hardware games.<br>

Good luck!</p>

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