Is a Canon 7D mkII coming soon?

<p>This website seems to suggest it; http://www.canonrumors.com/category/photography/canon-7d-mark-ii/<br>

I'd love to see it happen. Since I buy my gear used that means the price of the 7D will drop.</p>

<p>Maybe. Maybe not.</p>

<p>I don't put much stock in websites created to draw traffic by publishing rumors.</p>

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<p>that means the price of the 7D will drop.</p>

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<p>Well, maybe too-- much depends on the price of the 7D mark ii version whenever it does come out.</p>

<p>The price of a <em>new</em> 5D mkii did drop a little, but not all that much when the 5D mkiii price came out. I don't recall the used price dropping at all, or at least by very much.</p>

 

<p>The source for one rumor site is simply another rumor site. Those sites are merely creating things out of thin air to generate traffic to benefit themselves.</p>

<p>Web sites have been predicting the Nikon D400, as a successor for the D300/D300S, for 4, 5 years. The fact that many such rumors have already been proven wrong does not at all discourage people from generating the same rumor again and again:</p>

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<li><a href="/nikon-camera-forum/00bh47">Is D400 definitely coming?</a> This thread was started in May, 2013</li>

<li>http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51256976</li>

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<p>[[This website seems to suggest it]]<br>

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I'm going to create a website that says Canon is getting out of the camera business. I have no proof, no insider info, no facts. But it sounds like it'll drive traffic which will let me earn a pretty penny with banner ads. <br>

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[that means the price of the 7D will drop.]]<br>

Not for a while it won't. </p>

<p>Rob - bad business model. People don't want to read that. They want to read about things they want, like a 7D MkII, a D400 and so on. Post rumors that people WANT to believe and you'll get traffic.</p>

<p>I have secret news about the 400/5.6L IS USM for example. And the new Canon 80-400L IS USM. Then there's the new EF 50/1.4L IS USM of course. And the EOS-Mx with an EVF....not to mention the new Rebel T6i-C with 4K video.</p>

<p>Eventually all "rumors" about the D400 and EOS 7D MkII will turn out to be true. As will any rumors you want to start about the EOIS 5D MkIV (which will also have 4K video)</p>

<p>[[Rob - bad business model. People don't want to read that.]]<br>

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Ah, but they do want to post comments about it. Lots of them. I agree though, it's not a good long-term goal, but I bet I could make enough to get a 7D. :) </p>

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<p>Eventually all "rumors" about the D400 and EOS 7D MkII will turn out to be true.</p>

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<p>Not all of them turn out to be true. Seems to me that at one point, we had "authoritative" rumors that the 7DII would be Canon's new entry-level FF camera. Oops. Turned out to be the 6D. </p>

<p>I waited a long time for the 7DII and finally decided that I should stop watching the rumors and either content myself with what I had or buy something else. I opted for the latter. </p>

<p>Here's my totally unfounded rumor pulled from thin air. The 7DII has been delayed because Canon have decided to put 4K video in it. </p>

<p>Might be true...</p>

<p>May I be so bold as to inquire as to what capabilities you would like the 7dII to include which aren't incorporated in the 7d?</p>

<p>See http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/Canon_EOS_70D_7D_II_thoughts.html</p>

<p>GPS and WiFi, video with timecodes, ALL-1 and IPB compression. AF system from 5DMkIII, hybrid II AF sensor for vastly improved Liveview and video AF, Digic 6 processor for faster operation (and larger buffer) - maybe dual processors. Two cards slots (CF and SD). Maybe throw in 4K video too just for kicks.<br /> <br /> Not that I personally really need any of them. But those are reasonable additions and updates. If I shot video a lot, I'd want the hybrid sensor update for sure. Lots of people seem to want WiFi.</p>

<p><sigh>... I guess you're probably on the right track. I will confess your wishlist makes me feel like a backward luddite. When did this stuff get so outrageously complicated? Aren't most of us just taking photos?</p>

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<p>I see nothing wrong with reading the rumors...so long as you consider it as ENTERTAINMENT and NOT fact.

 

 

It is like watching the TV show: Finding Bigfoot. The program is based on non-facts presented as facts. It is all bullsh__. A lot of people are making a fine living from it. It is "good" entertainment...and nothing else.</p>

<p>I have stated several times before that Nikon has no intention to update the D300/D300S to this so called "D400," ever. Nikon may use the D400 model number for sometime else, such as a very affordable, full-35mm-frame body, but as a category, semi-pro-grade APS-C DSLR body from Nikon is dead. Nikon introduced the D300S in mid 2009 as a minor update to the original D300 from 2007. If Nikon had any intention to introduce this so called "D400," it would have happend 2, 3 years ago. That is precisely why there has been constant rumor on the "imminent" introduction of this D400 for several years. When those earlier rumors failed to materialize, people simply renew the same rumors with a later introduction date. But you can only cry wolf so many times and gradually, fewer and fewer people believe in those false rumors.</p>

<p>Today, the DSLR price category between $1700 to $2000 belongs to the lower-end full-frame DSLRs, such as the Canon 6D and Nikon D600/D610. In fact, today the 6D has been selling at a price lower than that range.</p>

<p>Therefore, by the same token, IMO, Canon also has no intention to introduce any so called 7D Mark II, ever. We are merely reading one wrong rumor about it after another, exactly as what we have been reading about this "Nikon D400" for several years. The rumors benefit the web sites that spread them since they bring in web traffic. Yes, as long as you read them as some nonsense entertainment, that is ok. Just don't treat them as facts and base your purchase decisions on them.</p>

<p>Robert - how about the 5D III/1DX autofocus system.</p>

<p>Companies don't think about cameras in the same way that we do. They want to sell fully professional models for $$$$+, or rich amateur models for mere $$$$, and sell cheapos at $$$ to get people locked into their system rather than those of competitors. The rich amateur fad is big-sensor cameras. The companies don't seem to want to build tough, fast, cheaper cameras for limited number of amateurs and those <em>professionals to use as backup bodies </em>any more. They really want to make those professionals pay ;)</p>

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<p>Since I buy my gear used that means the price of the 7D will drop.</p>

 

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<p>Unlikely. Used prices certainly won't drop any faster than the current rate of descent. Canon's pricing of late means the 7D2 (or whatever) will be vastly more expensive than a new 7D and will take a good while to come down to what most people would consider reasonable. Look at the 70D as an example. When it was released it was more expensive than a new 7D. Even now it is only slightly cheaper than a new 7D (in the UK anyway). </p>

<p>Shun wrote..."<em>Canon also has no intention to introduce any so called 7D Mark II, ever</em>"<br /> <br /> I'll take that bet! The 70D is not what Canon regards as a "professional" APS-C DSLR and I don't think Canon have decided to drop that market niche. They may, I guess, not call it the EOS 7D MkII, but my opinion is that there <em>will</em> be another professional (and by that I mean supported and recognized as such by Canon CPS) APS-C DSLR. A 7D MkII is the logical name for it. Just because the 6D is priced below $2000 does <strong><em>not</em></strong> make it a 7D rival. It's really more of a Digital Rebel on steroids (and that's not knocking it). Limited AF system, limited shutter speed (1/4000s) and flash sync etc. I have no idea when a 7D MkII might appear of course, but I'd guess at somewhere between 6 and 24 months from now. Probably later rather than sooner. I'd stress that this is a prediction, not a rumor.<br /> <br /> I have yet to see a <strong><em>credible</em></strong> rumor about the actual <em>existence</em> of the 7D MkII. If such a camera prototype is being tested at the Winter Olympics, we'll see some credible reports, not just vague rumors.<br /> <br /> As for the D400, of course there will be one....haven't you read the rumor websites! All those people can't possibly be wrong....</p>

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<p>Robert - how about the 5D III/1DX autofocus system.</p>

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<p>I would be pretty surprised if they ported a fully capable 1Dx AF system down -to anything-at least while the 1Dx represents their penultimate AF system. Frankly, the AF capability of the 1Dx is one of the few specific differentiators between the 5D3 and the 1Dx - In terms of actual shooting performance. While of course there are others (like ultra high ISO performance), the 1Dx's AF system is probably the single biggest reason many pros choose it over the 5D3 (at half the price). Afterall, a camera that handles nearly as well (w/ a BG), and performs the same role, but which you could get 2 of (read: a backup as well) for the same price as a 1Dx, suddenly would become a very competitive choice. Believe it or not, I think they put as much thought into product differentiation as the camera technology itself. </p>

<p>About a year ago, I bought a new 7D for an excellent price. The dealer said then that the camera was in short supply, likely indicating that its successor was on the way.</p>

<p>Well, had I waited for the arrival of the fabled 7D2, I'd still be waiting...</p>

<p>There are grounds for reasonable speculation, but it is still speculation. If I had to bet, I'd place the same bet as Bob--I can't see why Canon would give up the 7D niche, which is not filled by any other cameras in its current lineup. However, the bottom line is that I don't know, and no one I know knows. So, after foolishly wasting time following rumors for months, I realized that I could either (1) buy something else, or (2) forget about it for a while and see what happened.</p>

<p>I don't think Canon ever intended on making a high end 1.6X camera; they only did so because Nikon's D300 was priced so low and featured so high. Now neither wants to continue along this line, as they want a progression to full frame, not 1.6X. Both manufacturers mainly make high end lenses for full frame, and not 1.6/1.5x. To make a new high end 1.6x/1.5x would result in requests for more sensor size optimized lenses for them. Sigma already supplies some of these, as does Tokina. Neither Nikon nor Canon want lens sales mainly to go to third party manufacturers. So no new high end 1.6X/1.5X cameras. They want customers to go full frame, that's where the main lens lineups are and the lenses is what they really want to sell. Also there is the concern that for 1.5x/1.6x the most effective way to obtain benefirs of the small sensor may be through mirrorless designs, where the wide angles don't have to suffer the excessive size of the flange distance and mirror box designed for 35mm and become overly complex. If the mirrorless camera makers gradually absorb the 1.6x/1.5x size interchangeable lens camera market then the place where the DSLR design can best hold its ground is in full frame (due to extensive lens systems as well as the nice large optical viewfinder, and finally because the DSLR PDAF seems to handle large sensor AF fairly competitively at least when it comes to speed, if not so much accuracy). So Nikon and Canon are both focusing on where they think what they do best will fare best. They are probably also betting on prices of the large sensor itself to gradually be reduced.</p>

<p>1.5X/1.6X DSLRs have their own advantages but they don't seem to fit in the long term strategy of the two big manufacturers. Sony seems to be uncertain about which way to go - they have made several new systems but don't commit a lot of resources to making complete lens lineups for them.</p>

<p>Were going to have to wait a long time. Neither the 70D nor the 6D are alternatives to the 7D Mk II. It's possible that the 80D will, in effect, be a 7D MkII I guess, but that will probably take 3 years to appear. We're not going to see a FF camera with 5D MkIII capabilities under around $2000 for a good few years (if ever) and that's essentially what a 7D MkII could be in APS-C format.</p>

<p>Canon and Nikon aren't chasing the APS-C MILC market, so I suspect APS-C DSLRs will stay around for a <em>long</em> time. A premium APS-C DSLR at $1500-$1700 would have a significant market and would not likely reduce sales of cameras like the 5D MkIII, given the price differential.</p>

<p>I'm just disappointed Canon isn't producing a 2014 Sochi 1dx Special Edition like they did with the F1 in the Los Angeles 1984 Olympics.</p>

<p>Seems to me this EOS forum has become the bastard child of DPReview and The Onion. Keep up the good work.</p>

<p>This issue is not whether the Canon 70D, Nikon D7100, etc. can complerely update the capabilities of the 7D and D300/D300s. Those newer models sold at $1200 initially and now down to $1000 to $1100 obviously can't completely replace those higher-end $1800 bodies.</p>

<p>The issue is that pretty much all APS-C and 4/3 mirrorless cameras are now quite a bit below that $1800 price range, and both Canon and Nikon already have full-frame DSLRs that occupy that price category now. In fact, the price for the 6D has dropped so much that it is cheaper than the original price for the 7D. There are only so many people who are willing to pay $1800 to $2000 for a DSLR, in any format; Canon and Nikon can no longer sell enough higher-end APS-C DSLRs to make any new $1800 models profitable.</p>

<p>Otherwise, both the 7D and D300S were introduced way back in 2009. As their updates, the 7D Mark II and D400 should have been introduced in 2011 to 2012 and we should be speculating about the 7D Mark III and D500 by now.</p>

<p>Almost a year ago (2013) as soon as I saw the specs for Nikon's D7100, I immediately pointed out that there would never be any D400, as a successor to the D300/D300S. A lot of people kept arguing that Nikon had to introduce a D400 by the summer (of 2013) since the 7D Mark II would "definitely" appear by then. Of course the summer of 2013 has come and gone.</p>

<p>I think those who still claim that there will be a 7D Mark II should:</p>

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<li>Explain why Canon hasn't udpated the 7D after 4+ years, which is much longer than your average update cycle.</li>

<li>Set a deadline for themselves. If by that date no 7D Mark II is introduced, they will admit in public that they have been wrong all along. Otherwise, they can keep claiming that there will some 7D Mark II for another 2, 3 years, as people have been doing for that elusive "D400" for several years already. By now, most people have finally realized that this D400 is not going to happen.</li>

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<p>P.S. Recall that <a href="/photodb/user?user_id=587835">Joseph Wisniewski</a> and I first made the call that there would never been any 7D Mark II when the 70D was announced in July 2013: <a href="/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00bnBg">http://www.photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00bnBg</a><br>

That was already over 7 months ago, and counting, and we explained the reasons thoroughly on that thread.</p>