New kodak company to continue selling films

<p>Hi,<br>

came across this post on net :</p>

<p>http://www.bjp-online.com/british-journal-of-photography/news/2296502/new-kodak-company-to-continue-selling-film?WT.rss_f=The+latest+news+articles+from+BJP&WT.rss_a=New+Kodak+company+t#.UlZgHmDcGxU.facebook</p>

 

<p>Already posted a couple of weeks ago:<br>

<a href="http://www.photo.net/film-and-processing-forum/00c1Q8">

http://www.photo.net/film-and-processing-forum/00c1Q8</a></p>

<p>thanks. missed it. Feeling HAPPY on seeing the link.</p>

<p>Not only that, Kodak R&D has a green light to produce new film technologies, and they would be wise to do so to perpetuate the existing line. We're all hoping, loudly, for the addition of a chrome back on the list. To exclude a Chrome wouldn't be very smart, but hey.</p>

<p>It all depends on demand, Don. Kodak axed E-6 materials simply because customers stopped buying them.</p>

<p>I'm hoping that statistic has a wide cycle, meaning its possible that the demand will return justifying Kodak to at least, ' Fish ' with another E-6. We all have our experiences countrywide suffering in varying degrees on shelf availability. I can tell you from my experience here in southern ca, the film counter at Samy's is rolling out a lot of film. Perhaps another chrome is not needed or necessary, honestly I'm content with Velvia 50, and 100F, but the palette that Kodak E-6s offered were useful, and fun to work with.</p>

I'd like to see Plus-X return to production.

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<p>Not only that, Kodak R&D has a green light to produce new film technologies</p>

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Did you read the article? This is what Kodak apparently says on that topic:<br>

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<p>He adds that while film remain important for Kodak, that category is mature and doesn't need additional products.<br /><br /><br>

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<p>Doesn't seem like the division president would say that just for fun. </p>

<p>The statement also says this:<br /> "In terms of our portfolio, people can expect us to sell what we have sold before, plus more. Because obviously, being Kodak Alaris we don't have any debts, we don't have any obligations as Eastman Kodak did," says Lars Fiedler, marketing manager at Kodak Alaris' personalised imaging division. "We're almost starting from scratch. And we have KPP that is really seeing the potential for growth. It is prepared to invest, so I believe that people should expect us to come out with new products."<br /><br /><br /></p>

<p>Well they are talking out of both sides of their mouth. What does that tell you?</p>

<p>Also sprach Olerich,<br /> 'Olbrich confirms, telling <em>BJP</em> that the film products' lifecycles will "depend on consumer and professional demand."'<br /><br /><br /> "Stable" demand is the problem. There's no obvious, sustained growth detectable by scientific instruments over the last 5 years that I'm aware of, Don. That's bad. I wish it weren't so. But I doubt much has changed since early 2012 when Kodak sank. All KPP is saying is "buy it and we'll make it--for now--but don't count on it, especially if demand weakens further."</p>

Don, it looks like if I wanted to contact you to mail you a check for $500 I could do that through this site. As a guy who has

seen Kodak's coating line in building 38 in Rochester in person and just ordered 200 sheets of a 4x5 film I strongly

believe to be a stable product, Kodak Tmax 100 black and white film, I am 100% confident in saying that if Kodak / Alaris

starts selling E6 films again, I will write you out that check for $500 so you can buy the film.

 

I am very confident that black and white film of some form will outlive digital as we know it. I highly doubt E6 films of any

kind will be around for purchase in 10 year's time. You should have bought Robert Shanebrook's book called "Making

Kodak Film" before it sold out a week or two ago....it would have taught you to use what we have instead of wishing for

what we no longer have.

 

It blows my mind just how much people keeping asking for products for which there is not enough demand for to make

profitably when there are still some flat out amazing film choices that the true artist could pick just one or two of and

master over a lifetime.

<p>Gee and I thought this might be a chance we'd see a return of some old films again- specifically Plus X and Panatomic X.</p>

<p>"Gee and I thought this might be a chance we'd see a return of some old films again- specifically Plus X and Panatomic X."</p>

<p>Consumers spoke, Kodak listened and stopped production--unfortunately.</p>

<p>I miss the ektachrome VS too<br>

hope they are going to revive at least it</p>

 

<p>If not in single rolls, at least in 100 foot bulk rolls for Plus-X and Panatomic-X. Yeah, I know it's wishful thinking. </p>

The photographers who are doing the best work with film in 2013 are the ones who are putting their hearts into the full

creative output of all the great films we still have. People used to shoot Kodachrome, used to shoot a lot of chrome, and

clearly enjoyed films like Plus-X and the like. But in adapting to the amazingly consistent and capable films we have now,

they are truly on the leaderboard of companies like Ilford, Fuji and Kodak-Alaris and by and large, they deserve to be!

 

If you are not making mind blowing imagery on films like Acros, Tmax, FP4, Ektar and Portra, you are the problem, not

the film companies. They have simply done what the market has told them to do and I for one am greatful they are not

risking what is an amazing product line just to please a handful of enthusiasts who are not seeing what opportunities they

have.

 

Kodachrome, E100, Velvia 50 in 4x5 and HIE are not coming back, the real work will be done on the amazing films we

still have and *clearly* that is all we can expect from ANY current film maker, not just Kodak. A recent interview with Lars

Fielder should tell you all you need to know....read between the lines and see the opportunity for once:

 

http://www.filmsnotdead.com/2013/10/14/films-not-dead-in-conversation-with-kodak-alaris/

<p>With all my respect - how many times you are going to write the same thing???<br>

honestly I am starting to think that you never experienced what these films could give<br>

certainly there is a reason that so many people regret and miss these films, don't you get it???<br>

and YES - we all know the reality pretty well and we all will live with it<br>

OK?</p>

But Iosif, you too are guilty of writing the same thing. Like you, I mourn the loss of reversal film. In your case Ektachrome, in mine Provia 400.

 

But Ektachrome is not coming back. It's simply high production costs and insufficient demand, and that is not going to change.

 

You say you know this reality pretty well, so why do you continue to think Kodak might resurrect reversal film?

What I would like to see are posts about what film you are currently using, why you like them, regardless of the company

who makes the film. I see lots of posts saying what films you want back but not what you are happy to be using....see the

pattern of self destruction here folks?

<p>"I miss the ektachrome VS too<br />hope they are going to revive at least it"<br /><br />What annoys me--and Daniel, too, I suspect--is the glaring lack of perspective comments like this make clear. Anyone actively shooting film, and especially anyone relying on commercial processors(whether Costco or pro lab), couldn't help but see where demand was going from declining traffic, longer processing times, reduced services, higher prices, and closings. Rather than lament what Kodak <em>doesn't </em>make, why not shoot what's on offer now? Frankly, I wonder whether most of the complaints aren't actually coming from posters who don't do much shooting. If they were, they'd be more aware of the realities Daniel brings forward.</p>

<p>I shoot for fun. Fujifilm Canada's inexpensive process/scan service for 35mm C-41 works for me. Perfect for the plain vanilla Superia 200 I use for web posting and friends and family. Portra 400, TMY-2 and Tri-X 120 get fed to my 645/6x6/6x7 kits. They're superb film materials. Who could realistically ask for more?</p>

<p>I see what you're saying Daniel, and it makes perfect sense. However, its frustrating when in the past several years, I every film I jump to is another sinking ship. The latest being Fuji T64. For my work, I've gone from Kodak 160T, to 64T, to Ektachrome 100 with an 80B filter, to the now discontinued Fuji T64. My next choice, once my current supply runs out, would be to try Provia or Velvia 100, but for how long? I'm taking your advice...I'm trying to creat amazing images using whats available, but it sure is testing my commitment.<br>

I'm sure Spirer would suggest we all just go digital because Kodak is just playing us all, but thats obviously not the case. (Shaking head)</p>

<p>Craig, I certainly see where you are coming from, but the information about trends has been out there for some time in regards to what the outlook has been on E6, C41 and black and white. If certain E6 stocks are your bag, then you need to make sizable investments to ensure you have what you need once they are gone and it is properly stored. I did that with a little bit of color and some black and white not trusting the forces at work. <br>

I feel for those who want to continue to use color slide, I loved it and still have some but at the end of the day, I saw what was coming and pretty much parted ways with it a little while back. Black and white is on solid footing, it's a good thing that I actually prefer it.</p>

 

<p>Films I use, and love:<br>

Velvia 50, Provia 100F, Ektar 100, Portra 160, Portra 400, Superia 200, Acros 100, FP-4.<br>

Both 135, and 120, and I'm hoping these films will have legs for the future, as they all have their attributes that make the choice of choosing alternative pallets for varying subjects, and conditions. The creative process is enhanced by have these choices. It's provocative, compelling and fun! I like Lars Feiedlers take on the process:<br>

<strong>Lars Fiedler:</strong><em>I like the emotions shooting associated with it. I believe Digital tends to make you shoot like silly, and you shoot because you like to shoot. With Film you go there, you open your eyes, you approach it differently. Say you have 10 films with you so that limits you to find that great image. Or there’s some uncertainty which some people try to avoid where on the other hand that is the emotion and the excitement to see what you have shot, there’s more feeling involved with it.</em></p>

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I'm shooting Acros 100, Provia 100, and Tri-X. Have enjoyed shooting Ektar and Portra in recent years

too but as long as it's still around, I'll probably shoot mostly Provia. I still have a few rolls of Astia 100 in

the fridge. Never have used it, but I keep meaning to shoot some T-Max...