Adobe Changing Course? Sort of....

<p>if you already have CC, how do you convert to the $9.99 pricing and LR5 etc?</p>

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<p>Does this mean that if someone's CC subscription expires, they will no longer be able to open and further process their PSD files?</p>

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<p>You will always be able to open a PSD file in any version of Photoshop whether perpetual license or CC subscription.</p>

<p>It's the non-destructive xmp edits with Raws, jpegs and tiffs created in ACR CC subscription version that will lose functionality when CC subscription expires.</p>

<p>I always thought non-destructive edits were overhyped. Who needs 'em.</p>

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<p>You will always be able to open a PSD file in any version of Photoshop whether perpetual license or CC subscription.</p>

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<p>When your subscription expires, I don't think the CC program will let you open any file anymore. I doubt the program will actually run when it hasn't found a valid license and the grace period is over. Can you provide a link to back up your information?</p>

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<p>if you already have CC, how do you convert to the $9.99 pricing and LR5 etc?</p>

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<p>If you have the single product CC for Photoshop, it will automatically convert.</p>

<p>Dieter's remarks are the ones that bother all of us. I hope an answer to them will be coming from Adobe soon.</p>

<p>-O</p>

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<p>When your subscription expires, I don't think the CC program will let you open any file anymore.</p>

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When you save a PSD on your computer, you have saved a PSD on your computer. You will not be able to open it in a cloud version of PS if you have stopped paying your fees. Tim's response is wrong. You can't open it in a CC version of PS if you don't subscribe. But the file can still be opened.

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<p>Will you still be able to open a file with your old CS6 software?</p>

<p>-O</p>

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<p>You may not be able to open a RAW file, you would have to convert it to DNG or process it in Lightroom, if the RAW file format was added after CC. However, you will always be able to open it in CS6 if the format is compatible, e.g., DNG, TIFF, jpg, PSD. You will also be able to open the file in other software that handles the format, so you should be able to open any CC-processed file in GIMP, for example. I should point out that I am saying "should" since nobody knows what will happen with any files and any software in the future.</p>

<p>Whoops! Forgot to leave off the CC subscription version of Photoshop in last response. I meant to say you can open a PSD if you have older versions of Photoshop that are perpetual licensed like CS3-CS5. Sorry about that.</p>

<p>I'm surprised folks still use the PSD format instead of tiff.</p>

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<p>Will you still be able to open a file with your old CS6 software?</p>

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<p>So then there are two versions of CS6? The one that was/is an upgrade as a boxed disc from CS5 you can still purchase from Adobe's site I'm assuming because someone told me this was still available instead of downloading from the CC subscription which is the other version of CS6. Anyone confirm that?</p>

<p>All in all I'm still confused. One of several reasons why I'm not buying anymore imaging software for now.</p>

<p>Tim, there's only one version of (photoshop) CS6 - and it is still available as boxed disc or as download from the adobe website: <a href="https://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/cs6._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_creativesuite6.html?start=10">https://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/cs6._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_creativesuite6.html?start=10</a></p>

<p>(Photoshop) CC is the latest version with added functionality and new features - and with its introduction, adobe went to the subscription model. As I mentioned before, I trialed photoshop CC - and one feature I now miss since going back to CS6 is the possibility to use ACR as a filter.</p>

<p>Another issue will arise as soon as I purchase a newly released camera - ACR in CS6 will not open its RAW file anymore and I will either have to go the DNG route or use a different RAW converter. In order to be prepared, I purchased LR5 (which is said to remain available without a cloud subscription) and also Capture One Express.</p>

<p>Which brings us to the backward compatibility of a PSD file - sure I can open a CC PSD file with CS6. But if I used a functionality that's only available in CC, it doesn't do me much good to try to work on that file in CS6. I rarely save a PSD file though - only if I put a lot of effort into creating different layers and want to preserve them for a possible rework later. Can't do that with TIFF.</p>

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<p> Can't do that with TIFF.</p>

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You can save layers with TIFF.</p>

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<p>You can save layers with TIFF.</p>

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<p>Didn't know that, thanks for the teaching an old dog a new trick ;-)</p>

 

 

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<p>Didn't know that, thanks for the teaching an old dog a new trick ;-)</p>

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<p>Hey wait a minute! You knew all of that info you posted above (which helped me considerably and got me to thinking) but you didn't know that you can use layers in Tiff format?</p>

<p>Thank you for proving my "Omission Principle" theory I developed around my observations of the information age. See what I mean how complicated this sh*t is getting?!</p>

 

 

 

 

 

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<p>Thank you for proving my "Omission Principle" theory I developed around my observations of the information age.</p>

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<p>To me it just proves that I have subscribed to the principle of lifelong learning as there is always something new to discover. Did a little reading and now know that - in short - PSD = bad; TIFF = good. So the next time I feel compelled to save layers from photoshop I will select the TIFF option and not the PSD one. May even re-save the few PSD files I have as TIFFs :-)</p>

<p>"Tim, there's only one version of (photoshop) CS6 - and it is still available as boxed disc or as download from the adobe website:"<br /><br /><br>

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Dieter, I'm afraid that there's more to it than meets the eye. Below is a link to blog post from a pro friend of mine, Tracy Valleau. There are two versions of the newest PS, CS6 and CC6, and there can be significant issues in getting rid of CC6 if you have CS6 installed, and want it to run after canceling CC6. <br>

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After clicking on the link below, scroll down to the post "HOW TO CANCEL CREATIVE CLOUD, AND HAVE YOUR COPY OF CS6 STIL WORK".</p>

<p>http://www.tracyvalleau.com/blog/</p>

<p>I hope that helps those that are wanting to revert from CC6 to CS6. Sadly, doing so can be non-trivial. My own personal option was to take the $10 monthly route to CC6, and now I get LR5 thrown in at no additional cost to me. I realize that my choice is not going to agree with what everyone else chooses. </p>

<p>There seems to be no other option but making monthly payments. I for one don't want to give another company unfettered access to my credit or bank account. What about the option of making a one time yearly payment. It feels like they are not being honest and forthcoming when the only option is to make monthly payments. It implies that there may be hidden charges down the road. They are asking us to trust them, but we have seen that these corporations haven't been forthcoming with what information is being collected and who or what entity has access to that information or data. We have no reason to trust them.</p>

<p>John, I have a specific and separate credit card that I use for recurring credit card charges (24 Hour Fitness, 1&1 Internet, etc.) I can view any charges anytime I visit my bank account online but it is not connected to anything. Credit cards do expire and it is a pain to update all of the credit card information. Imagine if you forget to update your Adobe CC information before your current active credit card expires. You may lose your current special deal that's supposedly good for a lifetime. </p>

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<p>There are two versions of the newest PS, CS6 and CC6</p>

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<p>Not that I am aware of: Photoshop CS6 is version 13, Photoshop CC (there is no CC6 to the best of my knowledge) is version 14; they are different in functionality. For example, CC allows to use ACR from within as a filter and has the camera shake reduction algorithm. If it wasn't for the cloud subscription model, then CC would have been released as CS7. AFAIK, the ACR versions are still the same for CS6 and CC, but the new functionality that is available in CC isn't available in CS6 (upright, for example <a href="http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/05/adobe-camera-raw-8-support-for-photoshop-cc-and-photoshop-cs6.html">http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/05/adobe-camera-raw-8-support-for-photoshop-cc-and-photoshop-cs6.html</a>); as long as CS6 is being sold, new cameras will be supported by ACR even in CS6 (that's at least my understanding). CS6 is being sold as download and via disc and the "old" licensing model, CC is licensed via cloud subscription.</p>

<p>As I said before, I installed CC and tried it for a month - when then trial expired, I just went back to using CS6; I had no problems in doing so (and haven't bothered uninstalling CC at all). I also installed a licensed version of LR5 in the time span that CC was active - so far no negative influence (I saw this morning that one menu item in LR5 points to CC - haven't checked yet what it actually does and how I could point it back at CS6; so there could be potentially some trouble lurking).</p>

<p>For the time being, CS6 is sufficient for my needs and I will not subscribe to CC, not even when that new $9.99 deal is coming along. I actually only upgraded to CS6 from CS5 because of the scare back then that an upgrade price for the next version would only be available for the most recent version, not the three versions as before. Turned out to be not true (so much for trusting what adobe says)...</p>

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<p>I actually only upgraded to CS6 from CS5 because of the scare back then that an upgrade price for the next version would only be available for the most recent version, not the three versions as before.</p>

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<p>Me too.</p>

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<p>Turned out to be not true (so much for trusting what adobe says)...</p>

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<p>Right.</p>

 

 

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<p>When you save a PSD on your computer, you have saved a PSD on your computer. You will not be able to open it in a cloud version of PS if you have stopped paying your fees. Tim's response is wrong. You can't open it in a CC version of PS if you don't subscribe. But the file can still be opened.</p>

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<p>Yes and no (mostly no). Probably yes about the cloud part as you were paying for storing them there. But not for PSD's that reside on your hard drives. PSD is a proprietary Adobe format. Other products can open a PSD IF they license that from Adobe. That's not an issue with TIFF.<br>

Proprietary functionality isn't new or unique to Adobe. Just like there's proprietary functionality in Excel that isn't in Apple's Numbers, or MS Word that's not in Text Edit. <br>

There is and always has been proprietary Adobe processing. It changes from each version as Adobe introduces new functionality. For example, if you go way back to Photoshop 3, it introduced Layers. If you built layers, even in a TIFF, you could NOT open them in a version older than Photoshop 3. Today, you can build a layer using CC that has functionality unique to CC and not re-edit that layer in CS6. That's what happens as you upgrade and use newer Adobe proprietary and that's<strong> always been the case</strong>. <br>

The idea that IF you own CC and stop paying to use it, all your files are now unable to be opened isn't the case. First, save your images in TIFF. Even layered TIFFs. Many applications WILL open them, earlier versions of Photoshop too. But forget about the ability to edit them as you did with the newer version of CC (because <strong>by your own doing</strong>, you decided to stop using it by not paying). If you work with Smart Objects, this will be even a more difficult transition. IF you saved a flattened TIFF, dozens, maybe hundreds of software products can open that data. <strong>Your data isn't non accessible, your ability to edit them using Adobe proprietary functionality is, big, big difference! </strong>But you the user did this by deciding not to use this newer version, thanks to a new subscription model. But again, this situation existed for a Photoshop CS6 user who for whatever reason decided to move backwards to CS5.</p>

 

 

<p>Changes to CC6 (PS 14.0 x64) and it's ACR version (currently ACR 8.1.0 x43) occurred after the initial trial period and when it actually became a subscription item, sometime in July, IIRC. CS6 did not get those changes, and neither did it's ACR version, and they will not get subsequent changes that come with a CC subscription. The issue of getting rid of CC6 becomes an issue after you try to drop it as a subscription and continue with CS6 instead. </p>

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<p>It feels like they are not being honest and forthcoming when the only option is to make monthly payments.</p>

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<p><br /> Based on what? What's not honest and forthcoming?</p>

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<p>Credit cards do expire and it is a pain to update all of the credit card information. Imagine if you forget to update your Adobe CC information before your current active credit card expires. You may lose your current special deal that's supposedly good for a lifetime.</p>

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<p>Doubtful and do you have any basis for this conjecture?. For instance, if my card expires on Netflix or any other service that is automatic monthly pay, I get an email stating there's a problem with my card. It's happened several times. That simply reminds me to update the card info for that vendor. If I don't and my subscription terminates, yes that could cancel what ever contract I had but I've always been given a chance to correct the problem and I've never had a subscription canceled or terms changed if I change it as soon as notified.</p>

<p>I would like to <em>own</em> what I pay for. I don't want my photos, photoshop, music, head or anything else in the cloud. Owning the disc I paid for is more practical for me.</p>