A forum topic about the No Word forum

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<p>By starting a verbal discussion about the No Words photos, we would undermine the discipline and adventure of keeping these particular discussions visual only and non-verbal by intention.</p>

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<p>Fred, we don't know that yet. I don't think it will. There will still be no words in the No Words forum. Unless one specifically wants to engage in comments to the photos in the other forum, one does not have to read the comments.</p>

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<p>Rather, the issue is whether such a thread would be meaningful, i.e., have a point.</p>

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<p>Michael, like most topics here on PN, some people like a topic and some people don't. I don't think that there are many people here who like and engage in every topic in every forum.<br>

<br /> Those of you who don't like this idea, don't have to engage. I am starting the topic when I find something to comment on. And we can see how it goes. Remember: An easy, friendly "chat" about the photos. No photo critique. No topic critique. That is the purpose.</p>

<p><<<<em>There will still be no words in the No Words forum.</em>>>></p>

<p>That's not exactly true. I notice, for example, in <a href="../no-words-forum/00b0sS">this No Words thread</a>, immediately following the responses to your thread here, you wrote quite a lengthy accompaniment to your photo.</p>

<p>Ann, nothing you are proposing is against site rules, so why not give it a try? </p>

<p>We don't have to agree, and that doesn't mean one or the other is wrong. </p>

<p>The No Words forum will stay "no" words. Please do not post words in the NW forum.</p>

<p>However, I'm not going to stop people from talking about those images elsewhere if they wish. Ann is free to give that a try and see what kind of response it gets. I don't predict that it will be particularly popular, but who knows. And of course, those who don't want to talk about the NW forum images can just ignore the thread.</p>

<p>Ann, it is nice to have and idea and post it asking for answers I think that the benefite of NW is the no words needed, I think that it is very interesting as is. I f you want to add something , you can add some words and do it when you upload your answer to the theme given.</p>

<p>In the thread that Fred G refers to, I had edited Ann's text that accompanied her image posting well before Fred had seen it. I cut approximately 70% of what she had written there. It was a veritable history of what was represented in the image that she posted. The accompanying text was, to say the least, not just "a few words" as the NWF posting guidelines permit, but a non-ending running description on the background of the image. Rhetorically, was this in response to my deletion of her links to off-site web pages that she had posted previously in NWF?</p>

<p>Strangely, looking at that same thread now I do not see her post at all. Another moderator (Josh?) apparently stepped in and deleted her entire post in that thread. I was content to leave the post with the shortened text in that thread. Is it possible that another moderator found the subject matter unacceptable? I would have appreciated a heads-up on this.</p>

<p>As I said previously, as long as I am moderator of that forum I will strive to keep it true to its original concept. I have been exceedingly lenient with most of what goes on in that forum, but I will say this as a fair warning. If there is the smallest increase in problems as a result of this "experiment" I will become as Draconian as that ruthless 7th century Athenian lawgiver had ever been.</p>

<p>There are plenty of ways to make comments on posted photographs other than adding words where words are specifically prohibited. Let us not under any circumstances change the "no words" forum to include words. As noted above, the best comments in that forum are additional photos without words. If a photo is worth a thousand words, why should we need words in this forum?</p>

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<p>If there is the smallest increase in problems as a result of this "experiment" I will become as Draconian as that ruthless 7th century Athenian lawgiver had ever been.</p>

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<p>First of all, what exactly are the rules, Walter? That is the problem. I have posted plane history before because I find it interesting. I am not sure where the line is drawn.<br /> <br /> Second, I feel I am loosing the will to contribute with my photos when you as a moderator tells us that you "will become as Draconian as that ruthless 7th century Athenian lawgiver had ever been." I have been a participant because it has been fun. And no suddenly it is not anymore. Is this caused by my wish to start this new topic? I really don't understand all the fuss.<br /> <br /> Josh has deleted the plane photo, and he told me so in an email. I got a bit carried away with that plane history. It was very interesting. And I think it was important to explain that it was not a german plane, since the symbols on it where of swastikas. It will not happen again. I did not do it to challenge the rules of the forum. Even if some people here choose to think that. </p>

<p>Ann, if you can read then you know the guidelines for posting into the No Words forum; they are right there in front of you when you contribute to that forum. In your deleted post with the airplane, "a few words along with the image" does not mean a lengthy history. Do you need to have a word count specified? Can't common sense be used instead?</p>

<p>Your contributions in the No Words Forum are welcome, I have said that before. But the caveat is that your contributions, as does everyone's' , need to follow the guidelines. I have said that before, too. Regards.</p>

<p>Yes, Walter, I can read. No, Walter, the rules are not clear to me. I don't just pretend that I don't understand them, if that is what you think.<br>

<br /> I have written comments on my photos earlier, and they have not been deleted. Would four or five sentences to explain things in the photo or to make a joke be okey or not? My comments have not been deleted before, therefore I thought it was okey to do it.<br>

<br /> Believe me, I would like to understand the rules. If you think I like it when my contribution to the forum is altered completely or just deleted, you are wrong.<br>

<br /> That was also the reason why I asked permission instead of just starting a topic about the No Words forum. I did not want it to get deleted because it was not allowed.</p>

<p>Ann, why not avoid words completely? It is, after all, the No Words forum. I will tell you that when I go to that forum I look at pictures and glance at titles (which is usually equipment which doesn't interest me in the least) and purposely don't read any comments because comments seem to destroy the flow of the threads. Check out what other people generally do and go along with the crowd. Just think about what your picture will say. That's what it's all about. It's a relatively simple matter that you are complicating for an unknown reason.</p>

I was the NW’s forum moderator for a few years before Walt was. My approach to moderating the forum was simple. No word means exactly that “no words”. Why? Because the photo’s speak for themselves. The beauty of the forum or what makes it interesting and fun is that members can interpret the title thread and answer anyway they please. It’s not about photo skill level or what equipment one uses. There are many other forums here on photo.net where one can get more than enough feedback on a photo posting. If one adds comments to the forum it no longer the No Words forum but something altogether else. I think it is as simple as that.

<p>Fred, this thread is not about me. If what I do in the No Words forum is a problem for you, please contact the moderator of the forum.<br>

<br /> James, the comments will be added in another forum.<br>

<br /> I wish one could get a permission or not to do something here by just emailing Josh. There will always be different opinions about a topic, and those who don't like a suggestion will be more likely to voice their opinion about it than those who like it. I am not afraid to try something new, it could be a hit, who knows.</p>

<p>Ann, I did, when your lengthy comment in a No Words forum was inappropriate.</p>

<p>Of course this thread is about you. You made it about you when you claimed not to understand the parameters of the No Words forum, which everyone else seems to understand and follow.</p>

<p>There have been two issues addressed here. Your commenting in the No Words forum itself, the rules of which you said you didn't understand. And your wanting a separate forum in which to discuss in words the No Words threads, which is, on its face, contradictory and counterproductive.</p>

<p>I am not engaging in any discussion with you, Fred.</p>

<p>I'm not looking for a discussion with you, Ann. I'm responding to things you post in threads. Whether you engage them or not is immaterial to me.</p>