smithmaestro Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 <p>So I recently saw a Kodak Technical pan. Honestly I don't know if it's a color negative or a B&W Negative but looking at samples, it looks like it's B&W. Pretty keen on finding out and trying it out! Where do you think I can buy this? Saw a boxful on ebay for $130 but I just want to try one out.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zane1664879013 Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 <p>Production ended in 2004. Old (expensive) stock is your only option now. No current film is considered a good replacement.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 <p>I have some and a few replacements. Oh BTW if you have to ask the price of what I sell rolls for then don't ask. Also it is a B&W film. If you don't develop your own film and you are not willing to try different developers than also don't worry about it. I have some Microfilm that is slower than TP and I will sell some of that cheaper but then again you will have to be into self film development.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_shriver Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 <p>Equally unavailable is the Technidol developer Kodak made to process it with. There are other super-low-contrast developers you can use with it.<br> It is insanely sharp. It is also highly difficult to get a normal S-shaped HD curve from -- the tonal scale is often <em>strange</em>. That's because it's really a microfilm with extended red sensitivity. There are other microfilms you can buy in 35mm, CMS20 and Rollei ATP, but they will have different spectral sensitivity.<br> The extended red sensitivity also gives it a different look.<br> It was a product that was kept alive by the atomic physicists for "big science" experiments. They now all use digital sensors. So the "base" of demand vanished. (Similarly, the Kodak Infrared films were kept in production by the US Military keeping enough in stock at all times to be ready to fight World War III. They stopped doing that, and the amateur market wasn't enough to keep them in production.)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_shriver Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 <p>Ilford SFX200 also has extended red sensitivity, so it could offer some of the look, but not the resolution.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_sawyer Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 <p>I have several frozen bulk 150ft rolls of tech pan 35mm, and some individually packaged rolls too. I could part with a few. Feel free to email. Photographers' formulary sells a good developer for Tech pan (TD-3 I think) If you can't find the original technidol.</p> <p>-Ed</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mendel_leisk Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 <p>Kodak's Panatomic X was another fine grained slow black and white film. Development was simpler.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted May 25, 2012 Share Posted May 25, 2012 <p>This may seem out there to some of you but I know many of you expect OT from me. I believe I found a replacement for Technical Pan. It is a HC copy Cine film.<br> Here is a link to what it is. Now the bad news. It is sold in 1000' reels but watch the ads as some are breaking it down to smaller rolls and using the same picture.<br> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310178477278&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:CA:1123<br> I have run 2 rolls of it so far and I decided ISO 50 in Diafine is pretty nice. Here is a link to the 1st roll I shot and yes the scratches were due to a used mini lab cassette. But the film does seem to be soft so I break it down into smaller rolls and use new cassettes I clean.<br> Here is a A picture then a crop from the same picture.<br> <img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7280/7154466880_22e70ba4a2_c.jpg" alt="" /><br> <br />Crop<br> <img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7243/7154467204_aaaf266f18_c.jpg" alt="" /></p> <p>Link to the full set of the first roll. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jokerphotography/sets/72157629618113838/<br> Larry</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgelfand Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 <p>Hi Larry,</p> <p>Does it have the extended red response that Tech Pan had?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 <p>You know brooks I will have to check.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 <p>ATP1.1 from Rollei is an Agfa Gevaert Copex extended RED variant which comes very close to Kodak TP. But also here you have to use the special ATP-DC A/B developer to get the best out of it.<br> The resolution is going over 375-400lp/mm.<br> Here an example from ATP1.1 in 35mm with Leica Summarit 2,5/75mm optics.</p> <p><img src="http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3002/2499293155_5c574b34f7_z.jpg" alt="" width="413" height="640" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve m smith Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 <blockquote> <p>but you need >8000dpi scans to get the detail out of it .</p> </blockquote> <p> <br> Or an enlarger.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 <p>You made me laugh there Brooks. Oh and I am hunting down the spectral chart for the SO-311. My guess is it most likely is just by the look it gives but I will keep looking.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted May 26, 2012 Share Posted May 26, 2012 <p>There is no grain is the problem. LOL</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 <p>Let's show this:</p> <p><img src="http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1351/1472391183_3623c62fbc.jpg" alt="" width="317" height="500" /></p> <p>Crop:</p> <p><img src="http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1139/1473242476_ece695040d.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="422" /></p> <p>Already over 5 y.o. with an Epson 3170 fladbed scanner.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 <p>Brooks I found the spectral data for it.<br> http://motion.kodak.com/motion/uploadedFiles/US_plugins_acrobat_en_motion_products_lab_5369.pdf</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgelfand Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 <p>Hi Larry,</p> <p>Thank you for the link. I have the old PDF for Technical Pan which does not have the curves but does state Technical Pan is sensitive out to 690 nanometers. It looks like this film has a sensitivity the falls off shaprely over 600 nanometers and is good to maybe 650 nanometers.</p> <p>I was hoping to find a film that handled skin blemishes i.e. acne, as well as Technical Pan without going the IR route.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbright Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 <p>In 1962 our reconnaissance aircraft flew over Cuba to confirm that missiles were standing, and at aim at the US. This confirmation provided images to President Kennedy, by our U-2 aircraft via mounted a KA-18a camera that had no shutter, but provided 9x12 roll film 200 feet long, that moved film across a slit opening at the same calculated speed that the aircraft was moving to document the proof that cuba had armament. The film used was <strong>Kodak Tech Pan.</strong><br> <strong> </strong>For historical reasons Kodak should have kept this film available for public consumption, but, intern here is another case where someone is out of touch. Imagine, 1962 a film so sharp to see that kind of detail from high altitude. Sharpness that so many of us wish for, and have a purpose for. Its truly a shame this film is no longer in production. This film had, <strong>No</strong> grain.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick_mont Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 <p>Is Bluefire police film a suitable replacement?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotohuis RoVo Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 <p>It is also a micro film, like the ADOX CMS20.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nealcurrie Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 <p>It had grain. You can see it under a microscope :). I found it hard to work with as filtration gave unexpected (to me) results , and didn't like TD-3. I preferred to use TMX and TMY.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 <p>It had to have grain or you would have not had an image. LOL</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbright Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 <p>Well, True! But we'll need to keep a microscope on hand. LOL</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_mueller2 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 <p>You can buy this aerial reconnaissance film on eBay. Look for Technical Pan and Panatomic X.<br> Thomas</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 <p>You know the Rollei 80s is pretty fine grained and can be shot faster. I develop mine in Diafine.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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