james_hudspeth Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 <p>Here's a Peregrine Falcon at 400 mm hand held. What do you think about the over all lens performance?</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 <p>That JPEG image is way too small for evaluating lens sharpness. Moreover, I wouldn't evaluate that from a hand-held tele image. There seems to be some flare towards the tail of the bird, though.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_hudspeth Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 <p>OK, Here's a bigger one.</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 <p>James, if you want to check sharpness, it is best to provide a pixel-level 100% crop of the bird's head.</p> <p>The EXIF data show that this image is captured at 400mm, f8, 1/800 sec and ISO 1100. Since the lens was stopped down (from f5.6 to f8) and the shutter speed is fast enough for a 400mm lens, sharpness seems good enough. The problem is that at ISO 1100, even the D3 is showing plenty of noise; it is the noise that makes this image less than ideal.</p> <p>You are much better off putting your setup on a sturdy tripod. If you can bring the ISO down to 400, I think you will get much better results.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_hudspeth Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 <p>He was a transient and did not seem to want to hang around while I went to the Vette and got out my tripod and set up. This proved to be true as he left about 3 minutes later. Thanks for the comments.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don_cooper Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 <p>Sharpness seems good to me. Not that it has anything to do with the subject but I don't think that's a Peregrine Falcon.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Javkin Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 <p>That looks very sharp to me. And I don't find the noise disturbing in the least. Of course you need to put a lens on a tripod to evaluate its sharpness and compare it to others, but the lens certainly performed well under the conditions in which you were shooting.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike D Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 <p>James, I also have a 80-400 and use it on a D300. The sharpness is excellent from 80-300 and very good to acceptable from 300-400. I've shot scenic images in the 80-150 range that you would not be able to tell were taken with a long range zoom telephoto. The big problem with the lens is the slow screw focus when shooting fast moving sports or birds. By pre-focusing and limiting the focus range, you can speed up the lens. The vibration reduction is excellent but I use a tripod at the longer end.</p> <p> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliot1 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 <p>Nice shot! On the D3, I think the lens is a great performer all around for AF speed and sharpness. I suggest you use the focus limit switch whenever appropriate. Hope you enjoy your lens.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_kleso Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 <p>Looks Like a Coopers Hawk</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rene11664880918 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 <p>I don't know.... The noise does bother me..... Also, the shot looks a bit over sharpened to me but I could be wrong.<br> But as the OP said, when there is no time you use what you have in hand. Over all, after the conditions it is a really nice shot.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_hudspeth Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 <p>Thanks everybody, the Falcon came down so fast that we all almost tipped over the cafe table getting up. My camera was on the table as I had just finished shooting a Dragon fly. I had to turn around and start shooting before it took off.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliot1 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 <p>Noise and sharpening are subject to the photographer's preferences and PP skills. All cameras produce noise in their images at anything but the very lowest of ISOs, including the D3/D3S. Any image can have all the noise eliminated using available NR software.</p> <p>I recently compared the IQ of the 80-400mm @ 400mm on the 7000 (600mm FOV) vs the 600mm AIS on the D3. The results surprised me as I expected the 80-400mm to be horrible on the D7000. But it held its own...</p> <p>These test RAW shots were taken with a tripod, f8, ISO 200 on the D3, ISO 220 on the D7000, 1/640. The image on the D7000 came out a bit lighter than the D3 image and it was slightly adjusted in Photoshop. Other than that, the images are unprocessed.</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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elliot1 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 <p>D7000 image</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliot1 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 <p>To my surprise, the CA was almost identical between the two camera/lens combos.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 <p>I wonder the OP's original image is somewhat underexposed, due to the somewhat back lit situation. When you try to bring out details from under-exposed areas, it can get quite noisy. And when you try to sharpen an unsharp image, you will also sharpen the noise, exaggerating the problem.</p> <p>Otherwise, ISO 1100 on the D3 should not have such serious problems. If you take a closer look at the wire the bird is standing on, it is very noisy. The noise also wipes out plenty of feather details.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_hudspeth Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 <p>Your right Shun, the bird landed close to 7pm and in the shade of a tree while the tree in the background was in setting sun light. I have about 12 shots of this bird and before processing they are under exposed. There is very little sharpening in NX2. Also this is at 400mm and my lens is better at 350-375.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_skomial Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 <p>The 80-400 lens is a good Nikkor lens after all.<br> <em> </em><br> <em>"image and it was slightly adjusted in Photoshop. Other than that, the images are unprocessed." </em><br> <em></em> <br> AND<br> <em></em> <br> <em>"There is very little sharpening in NX2."</em></p> <p>You already used 2 applications on these examples, and yet you say "unprocessed" ?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_hudspeth Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 <p>Frank I think you mixed up my comments and Elliot's comments.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodeo_joe1 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 <p>Just for comparison, here's a similar shot taken a few days ago using a Tokina 80-400mm f/5.6 on an Eos 5D. The lens was wide open at f/5.6 and handholding at 1/125th of a second didn't improve sharpness - no VR on this lens :-(</p> <p>This was the best of about 10 shots, but the bird was tethered so no danger of it flying away, although an owl escaped from the same display to be recaptured 3 days later!</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_hudspeth Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 <p>Here's a 300% on same bird no sharpening, different shot.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_hudspeth Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 <p>Ill try again</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davebecker Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 <p>Shun,<br> Learn to be a bit more diplomatic in your responses to others. Often times your response/knowledge is indeed limited.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 <p>Dave Becker, my knowledge is certainly limited, and so is everybody else's. For the rest, let's take it to private e-mail.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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