Intentional or ignorance?

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<p>Should we contact him & point out his mistakes? Notify eBay? Do nothing..buyer beware? I don't know. It just seems to me that if someone actually falls for that they've been cheated & if,perhaps,we could do something to prevent that,perhaps we should. What are your thought?</p>

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<p>Hmmmm? That's more than just asking if it was intentional or not. And to top it off you asked what we thought. So ... you got what we thought. Hope you liked the replies.</p>

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<p>... and whatever you do, don't say it twice.</p>

<p>Who knows what might happen!</p>

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<p>I think Lauren and I got caught by the PN echo monster!</p>

 

<p>If Y thinks X's asking price for an object is too high, Y can ask X to explain. The answer, if it comes, could be helpful or hilarious.</p>

<p>I once was buying 200 foot rolls of 36" 4 mil Mylar for 10 bucks each off of Ebay; with shipping was 20 bucks. I got an email from another saying it was not inkjet; not drafting;not drawing mylar, not xerox type mylar thus it was useless.</p>

<p>It was electrostatic mylar for an obsolete printer.</p>

<p>It too inkjet poorly; it was not "conditioned" thus when used in a giant 36" bond machine; one got a decent X Y error; it stretched in the long dimension due the fusers heat. A CAD image that was a 35" square would come out 35 x 35.2 to 35.6 in size</p>

<p>I IGNORED several folks emails saying it was useless.</p>

<p>Those SIX rolls bought me 1200 feet of mylar.</p>

<p>Over 12 years I sold piecemeal to stainglass makers, draftsman at 2.50 bucks per foot.</p>

<p>Thus the 120 bucks in 6 rolls was sold over 12 years piecemeal for about 3 grand.</p>

<p>In the course of making the buy of the 6 rolls; I bought them like Buffet, ignoring others comments that they were worthless.</p>

<p>I have about emails from 12 years ago from 3 other "lookers" that said the stuff was bad; asking price is too high, there is a strip at the side.</p>

<p>The first roll cost me about 30 with shipping; later ones were 20 and even just 15 to 12, as the price dropped since it was declared crap by others.</p>

<p>The total for the 6 rolls was just 120 bucks total with freight.</p>

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<p>In cameras; there are folks who buy stuff just for eateries; a dead camera is just a prop</p>

<p>There are also folks who list stuff at absurd prices to launder money. I might check out ebay prices for memory/ram for my computers; and one guy has stuff always absurdly high. One will see the IBM motherboards all at 20 to 60 bucks; an this one guy has them at 450 each; and a few folks buy them. An oddball IBM power supply might be one guy has working pulls at 25 bucks; the high guy has them at over 550 each. The high guy has all the stripped chassis parts at absurd prices; a case "cover" might be 150 dollars; when one can buy an entire SAME old computer for 85 bucks; with case; power supply; ram etc. The high guys stuff is not even new stuff; it is just old pulls,</p>

<p>There are also folks who list stuff at absurd prices to launder money.</p>

<p>I might check out ebay prices for memory/ram for my computers; and one guy has stuff always absurdly high.</p>

<p>One will see the IBM motherboards all at 20 to 60 bucks; an this one guy has them at 450 each; and a few folks buy them.</p>

<p>An oddball IBM power supply might be one guy has working pulls at 25 bucks; the high guy has them at over 550 each as pulls/used; yet another has brand new in the box IBM ones for 65 dollars.</p>

<p>The high guy has all the stripped chassis parts at absurd prices; a case "cover" might be 150 dollars; when one can buy an entire SAME old computer for 85 bucks; with case; power supply; ram etc.</p>

<p>The high guys stuff is not even new stuff; it is just old pulls,</p>

<p>One type of old IBM beast I was buying old Ebay was Pentium Pro server stuff back in 1998 and 1999; when it was going off of 2 to 3 year lease. I would buy working machines anywhere from 28 to 90 bucks with freight; and on high guy had them at about 1400.</p>

<p>This odd pricing goes back over a decade with odd computer stuff.</p>

<p>I would ask myself what fool would pay 550 bucks for a used/pull IBM weird power supply; when another has the same BRAND NEW FRU/IBM part number in the box for 65.</p>

<p>If one was maintaining a Banks set of servers for each teller; one could by NINE brand new power supplies instead of that lone 550 buck used one.</p>

<p>Thus when one monitored these super high overpriced stuff; one would find folks buying them. Some of these are so far off base in pricing; ie 10 to 30 times that it has to be some type of laundering of cash. Ie the Banks computer tech is funneling cash to his buddy in the computer spare parts company.</p>

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<p>I'd like to chime in and say that I like Cliff Manley and everything he says. I wish that man a long life; no matter how tired he is of the malarky, there are some of us who like having him around expressing his opinion. I, for one, could never have said it better!</p>

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<p>Yeah, what he said. Welcome back Cliff.</p>

 

<p>It takes two parties to complete a sale. So far I see one seller and no buyers for that camera. <br>

If a seller is not realistic in his price then buyers will move on because it's a buyers market. We see unrealistic sellers every day in real estate - why not cameras as well. The seller of that Argus will either reduce his price, put the camera back in inventory or continue to support Ebay via relisting fees. What's to be gained by second-guessing his motivation?</p>

<p> I've been surprised by the number of negative and angry responses to this thread &," Me thinketh he doth protest too much". I'm staying away from their auctions.</p>

<p>On ya Cliff, I`m with you old son. Far too many busybodies & sticky beaks in the world to-day, especially governments, GET the hell out of my life, mined your own business people. It takes two too make a sale, we are all adults, do your own research, find out the average price of the item, if it is within your budget, buy it, if not, find something cheaper. Back too the spies,spooks & nosey parkers, read Helmut Newtons autobiography, he talks about growing up in Nazi Germany and people spying on one another, and escaping to Singapore and then onto Australia, a great read. Cliff you`re still the right side of the grass, old son, enjoy it while it lasts. Here endith the lesson. </p>

<p>Well,I don't think I need to read a book about growing up in Nazi Germany. At least not when I can stay right here & live it for myself in this 'post 911 world' (but I bet you'd never question that). Lies are lies. The man's post is factually inaccurate. You say that's none of my business or government's business,sure you do,but when some snake oil salesmen convinces your desperate old (insert name of relative here) that he can cure their terminal cancer & takes them for their life savings just before they die,you'll be first to say there should have been a law & someone should have done something.</p>

<p>I wanted to say thanks to the guys for supporting my comments. I have made lots of comments on this forum in the last several years. Some people like them some don't. I have tried to let people know what is coming and to offer suggestions on stocking up on film, food and starting a garden, etc for the crash that is ahead. Most people still think their job is secure and that there will still be cash in their bank account when this all goes down. I can't help them if they don't have eyes to read the news and see for themselves. It's almost too late to try to get ready if you are just starting now, but at least try to stock up on some food if you can. Do it right now.</p>

<p> Now back to the current topic. I don't make comments to try to offend anyone but to try to help, I always try to help. Now here is the real root of the matter. No matter what religious belief you have, the basis of the actions we take are the same . For thousands of years we have had Holy writings and teachings of all religions of the world, that tell us basically the same thing. We will be judged on our own actions. Whether you believe it will be Jesus as the final judge or that the guy will just have bad Karma or will be reincarnated as a dog or something, it doesn't matter. The fact is, that if he is really a liar and a cheat he will be judged for it. We are also told that we are all sinners and " he that is without sin shall cast the first stone". So the statement "Mind you own business" means that you should always strive to better <strong>yourself,</strong> don't worry about the other guy, his judgment day is coming just like yours, just try to make yours a good day. We are told to shun, and avoid and not associate with those that are truly evil, but also not to cast stones in their path, for they may come around and repent and change their ways, so it is not for us to say, is it? . So just leave them alone and let them be judged on their own. Forget about those guys and just work on making yourself the very best and honest person you can be. Your ulcers will thank you, and you will be a much happier person.</p>

<p>Ref Comment above: In case anyone hasn't noticed, our FDA and other Government agencies ARE giving us cancer and feeding us lots of poison. Intentionally!!! Don't ask the Government for help when they are the dealers of all the problems we have.</p>

<p>Many times my initial comments may seem a bit robust, but that's only to the untrained eye. Sometimes you need to give a firm slap to wake someone from an induced trance, like the public is in right now. For the last 20 years I have been trying to wake up and help people. I think I have gotten through to quite a few. Some still cover their ears and yell at me that they don't want to know the truth.</p>

<p>So what is your classic camera worth?</p>

<p>Waite,</p>

<p>You've been on photo.net for quite a long time, so you probably know that it can be a rough crowd. I get that you were just looking out for the poor soul who might be new to camera collecting who might have been taken by that eBay seller.</p>

<p>So what happened here? Someone decided to use your thread as a soapbox to stand on and preach their world view. It wasn't courteous of Cliff to take over this thread like he did. I expect this kind of thing on photo.net - one person blah-blah-blahs about someone else being "too sensitive" or something like that, and then about a dozen others step all over each other trying to be the first one to say "bravo."</p>

<p>It gets tiresome.</p>

<p>Of the total responses, mine amounted to about %18 of them, so I would hardly say that constitutes taking over a thread. When I thanked the other guys for supporting my comments, I guess I should have said I'm happy to hear some of the other guys know how to properly conduct themselves. I Also pointed out that it is NOT my view of the world, but rather the way it has been taught since the time of Moses, on how to conduct yourself in a civil society. You don't tattle and backbite to get someone in trouble, That's just the way it is, I didn't invent the concept. The question was should we or could we do something about this guy, and the answer is no, and has been for thousands of years. Mind you own business and tend to yourself If the man is truly a liar and a cheat he will get his just reward.</p>

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<p>Give [instruction] to a wise [man], and he will be yet wiser: teach a just [man], and he will increase in learning.</p>

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<p>No matter how much knowledge is given, if there is no wisdom to use that knowledge, it will be thrown off like a rider from a bucking bronc. You just can't help some people. No soapbox, just truth.</p>