People complain Nikon D3x, but no one complain the M9 price

<p>Bon gia L DaSousa, you assume I'm trying to be a better photographer if I shoot with a Leica, you couldn't be more wrong. It is precisely why I am asking everyone who claims the Leica system is the best to show me what they have created with their system, because I don't believe the hype. So far I have gotten a response from Doug who is using a Leica for his work and has a gallery and a web site with all of his work for the world to see but other than that no one else has sent me galleries of their magnificent work created on their amazing Leica's, just comments.</p>

<p>Please people, if you're going to comment positively on the Leica system at least show me what you're talking about. Enough with words! Where's the beef!</p>

<p>Ciao!</p>

<p>Renting an M camera & lenses: http://www.lensrentals.com/category/leica-m/for-leica</p>

<p>Not local but they ship all over.</p>

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<p>Bon gia L DaSousa, you assume I'm trying to be a better photographer if I shoot with a Leica, you couldn't be more wrong.</p>

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<p>If you do not try to be a better photographer, why do you come to a forum and issue a challenge?</p>

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<p>It is precisely why I am asking everyone who claims the Leica system is the best to show me what they have created with their system, because I don't believe the hype. no one else has sent me galleries of their <em><strong>magnificent</strong></em> work created on their <strong><em>amazing</em></strong> Leica's</p>

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<p>And when you set the tone of your challenge with such sarcasm it feels you are trying to ensure few or no people will bother to respond. Doug has made a reasonable suggestion, to rent and judge for yourself. I guarantee you, nobody here will be angry if you decide Leica is not so good and do not buy it. In fact I don't think anyone will be at all surprised of that outcome.</p>

 

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In short, you don't own a Leica or you are a lousy photographer. My tone is not as you say sarcastic nor am I trying to

insult anyone. Perhaps you don't understand my humor. Doug responded correctly by providing examples of his work with

a Leica, others like yourself decide to hide behind words. I'm sorry you feel this way but it was not my intention to upset

anyone just to create some stir out of those who offer praise of one system but offer no proof at all.

 

When someone says they are extremely pleased with their camera and asked if they can show an example of what their

camera can produce I would think that person would be more than happy to show off their images.

 

Is this clear enough for you Mr. Delasousa?

 

It's hard to type on an iPhone.

 

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<p>In short, you don't own a Leica or you are a lousy photographer. My tone is not as you say sarcastic nor am I trying to insult anyone.</p>

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<p>Anyone else finds those two expressions contradictory?</p>

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<p>Perhaps you don't understand my humor.</p>

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<p>I understand humour. Yours is not .</p>

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<p>Doug responded correctly by providing examples of his work with a Leica, others like yourself decide to hide behind words.</p>

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<p>Doug responded correctly, yes, I agree, by saying you should rent a Leica and judge for yourself. What words do I hide behind, please show me to them. Have I said any time that Leica is the best? I defy you to find such saying on my part. I own more than only Leica, and I absolutely do not ever believe that Leica is better than the best of other modern brands.</p>

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<p>When someone says they are extremely pleased with their camera and asked if they can show an example of what their camera can produce I would think that person would be more than happy to show off their images.</p>

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<p>Not to someone who obviously have a chip on their shoulder and has obviously predecided against Leica and those who use him. Who wants to hear you say to them "A hah, I see your photos and they are junk, therefore so Leica is junk too, just as I thought!"? And I may add, to someone who has himself only one photo to show, if it is yours in fact.</p>

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<p>Is this clear enough for you Mr. Delasousa?</p>

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<p>Is clear I have been feeding a troll and will not do so anymore.</p>

 

 

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<p>I don't know what a troll is so no offense taken there. All I ever wanted was to fish out the real Leica users by asking to provide some samples of their work, instead I got you! Lots of words and not one single photograph. I only have 1 photo up, true but that's more than you. I'm too lazy to put anymore up. This is exactly why I contacted you via email but never got a response. Instead you bashed me in public. Is it too late to ask nicely? Perhaps it was the way I asked. Here, I'll try it again. "could you please show me some of your work with your Leica camera?" Is that better? I don't expect a positive response but I thought I should try anyways. I'm sorry if I offend you Mr. Delasousa but you keep coming back with words and no proof.<br>

I won't respond to anymore of your comments, as one poster previously said "what a waste of bandwidth!" I agree, what a waste.<br>

Bon gia!</p>

<p>how do you expect someone to send you images made with a Leica? On the internet! The Leica lenses strengths have always been in thier black and white. I'm happy to send you some proper images if you pay for the return postage.</p>

<p>Hi Ty, no need to sell me any images, i can see your flickr gallery with all 300+ Leica M images.</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

<p>Ed</p>

<p>Ed, since you like the image quality from the 14n I suspect you'd like the M9's image quality too because it also has a Kodak CCD without AA filter, with the additional advantage of more bits per pixel.</p>

Good point Doug. I always wondered why Kodak makes such great sensors for other camera makers but yet removed

themselves from the game.

 

Talk soon.

 

Eddy

<p>D3x is just a camera, another one.<br>

M9 is history.</p>

Hello Rui, saw your gallery on flickr, very nice! Are those taken with a leica? What kind? I agree about the d3x, just a

newer better camera today. Tomorrow the d4x will take it's place.

<p>I am retired, I pull SS-my only income apart from some film editing and a few snaps I have sold, chump change :) I spent two years exploring the American West 2004-2005, with a Digilux 2. I loved the simplicity and the images. Returned to NZ fell in a river with the Digi2, sent it to leica, it was out of warranty, they totally fixed it and it works a treat today. Brand loyalty.<br /> I cannot afford a Leica M9 however, I own an M9. I don't give a flying fotograph for red dots and the leik I simply love working with my Leica. My creativity comes first. I buy brands I trust. Land Rover, Sony, Apple, Leica, Leki, Garmont, Epson, et al. Simple really. <br /> 2006 bought a whole Nikon kit at Samy's with all the new lenses from the 10.5 up, sold the lot and bought an M8.<br /> M8 not a great experience but the first digital M. The M9 is awesome. I have no need to splatter my snaps all over the web, they will get there when I am satisfied, a long way to go :)</p><div></div>

<p>and another thing, I love that I can basically set my camera menu to replicate film, ie, kodachrome, ekta, b/w, etc. I can see this as a future trend where we simply load pre-formated codecs, very cool.<br>

oh yes, here's a link to some of my snaps . . . http://www.flickr.com/photos/kiwicafe/collections/</p>

<p>Images on the internet, because of severe compression, cannot bring out the quality of the Leica.<br>

To post an original file would usually eat up too much band width. Besides, people usually say that it's the brilliance of the photographer that is responsible, and that he/she could have taken that shot with whatever equipment they have.<br>

Only the photographer him/herself knows how much the shot is due to the camera. That is why most people don't post their Leica images.</p>

<p>Richard, you have done exactly what I have been planning on doing for the last few years. I envy you! My wife thinks i'm crazy because I want to buy an RV and travel the US photographing things and people. She says she will not live in an RV and I'll have to do this on my own, fine with me. I am this close to buying my Fleetwood Bounder and packing it with all my film and digital gear and hitting the open road. I hope you do post your images, it will definately be a great inspiration to me and others contemplating the same idea.<br>

I'll keep an eye on your blog.</p>

<p>Ed</p>

<p>:) I have to smile . . . the back story is that my wife came home 5 days after hosting my 60th at Hal's in Venice Beach and announced she had found an apartment and was moving out the following week. So, as you can see, I was sort of thrust into doing what I wanted to do. There are no mistakes in life, none at all. So off I went and as you will see from my flickr snaps you will see i invested in a kick arse rig. That is what I am doing with the M9. I owe myself the best, no one else is going to do it for me so if I buy a huge Canon 5 whatever that can shoot moving images and it comes to editing and I wonder why it's such a bitch, then I simply smile. For Video i shoot Sony HDV, for stills . . . Leica. Period. The price is totally immaterial! Seriously, why spend all this chat when you could be shooting . . . that's it, I am off out the door with my Filson bag full of lenses and my M9 and 1.4 50mm attached! Cheers. ps, my new partner is a canon owner with a new 28mm prime lens, she lust after my . . . camera they way I lust after her. Who said life ends at 60, get on with it . . . .</p>

<p><strong>"You are going to grow tired of me posting now you asked . . . ."</strong></p>

<p>maybe not:<br>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/kiwicafe/sets/72157623829601396/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/kiwicafe/sets/72157623829601396/</a></p>

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<p ><a href="../photodb/user?user_id=2354068">Richard Clark</a> <a href="../member-status-icons"><img title="Subscriber" src="http://static.photo.net/v3graphics/member-status-icons/sub4.gif" alt="" /></a>,</p>

 

<p>I am retired, I pull SS-my only income apart from some film editing and a few snaps I have sold, chump change :) <br /> I cannot afford a Leica M9 however, I own an M9. My creativity comes first. I buy brands I trust. Land Rover, Sony, Apple, Leica, Leki, Garmont, Epson, et al. Simple really. <br /> 2006 bought a whole Nikon kit at Samy's with all the new lenses from the 10.5 up, sold the lot and bought an M8........For Video i shoot Sony HDV, for stills . . . Leica. Period. The price is totally immaterial! . . . that's it, I am off out the door with my Filson bag full of lenses and my M9 and 1.4 50mm attached!</p>

 

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You buy all that cameras and lenses with only SS as your main income??!! That reminds me of the Pink Panter movie when Clouseau is in the witness chair and prosecuter ask him how his wife manage to buy furs and diamonds on his policeman's salary and he responds "Well she is very frugal with the house money." Surely you should write a book on how you can buy so many expensive things with SS income, it will be surely a best seller (maybe even nonfiction, but who knows?)

 

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<p>I have no need to splatter my snaps all over the web, they will get there when I am satisfied, a long way to go :)</p>

 

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<p>Ah, yes, I agree with you my friend. I see also no need to put my snaps until I work much harder and they improve, even if somebody will not listen to my opinions until I have splattered the web also.</p>

 

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<p>When I bought my Leica M9 w/35mm 1.4 lens a few months ago, it was my first Leica. Also, my first range-finder in about 40 years. I have several DSLR's (I mostly use the Nikon D700), and have been using SLR's since I was a teenager. Occasionally I have used MF's, but sold them all to move to digital. <br>

Last night I was taking night shots in Stuttgart, and I realized I had not really done that in many years. I came home and was just amazed at how these images were like nothing I had shot in years. I was taking images (handheld) at speeds of 1/15-1/30 that were perfect. Not much shutter noise, though not a silent shutter. Small and light. I doubt a single person would have noticed I was using a Leica (or cared). Reminded me of the 1960s when I had to carry a light meter, and focused on aperature, speed, and composition (BW film in those days), instead of a hundred variable settings. Just a really great feeling, and a more direct connection to the essence of why I have been attached to photography almost my entire life.<br>

I understand that the camera/lens is a bit expensive, and not for most folks. It is, however, all the things that the dedicated Leica M user praises. Hard to explain my inner feelings about last night's impromptu walk, taking shots of nothing in particular. I can't explain how I have let all my other cameras gather dust the past few months---I only want to shoot with the M9. It comes closest to my old Olympus OM-2 (still on the shelf w/1.2 50mm). I have gone completely to digital these days, but this camera makes me feel closer to my earliest days of photography, when I read issues of Popular Photography (hardcopy) every month, and studied the great photographers. I'm rambling, but I am convinced that I have taken a step back in someways, and have never enjoyed photography more than I do now with the neat little Leica M9. I'm beginning to wonder if I have abandoned SLR/DSLR, as well as film. I hope Leica comes out with the M10, and the market is flooded with old M9's, so more people will take the opportunity to buy one of these cameras. A real thrill.<br>

I'm not a professional, so I don't have to do the hard work that requires the workhorse DSLR's. That makes a difference I know. As for the cost--if someone else will start making Leica-like digital range-finders with the MP/full frame, and good quality low-light lens, I will certainly take a look.</p>

 

<p>Hi James, my sister lives in Stuttgard! I feel the same about my Yashica Electro 35 Rangefinder. I was in San Fransisco over the Easter holidays and shot exclusively with that camera and loved the ease of shooting without all the hassels of my bulky DSLR. I also loved the fact that I could shoot handheld at speeds of 1/15 and even lower and still got perfect non blurry shots mainly due to the lack of mirror slap. If it were only digital so I didn't have to spend all that money on development and scanning. Don't get me wrong, I love the scans and prints but digital is so much faster and cheaper. I'm going to send you an image that I took just as I was driving by this marina and decided to stop the car and get out and capture. It was real quick and no thought was given to anything, i was even surprised the shot came out that's how quick it was. I think the shot came out great but I'll leave it up to you to tell me what you think. Can you send me a link to some of your images made with the M9?</p>

<p>Cheers</p>

<p>Eddy</p>

<p>Time for OP to drink the cool-aid. The price is a major complaint for non-Leica and Leica purists alike. I recently came back to photography after a long break. As a hobby, I found it very expensive. I had Nikon then and sold it after it was just collecting dust and losing touch with my photography buddies. I started editing pictures from the past and reminded me how fun it was. So, I tried the Leica M8. I got a used one and my joy for photography came back again. The joy would have been the same if I had purchased Nikon again? Most likely. But, I wanted to learn rangerfinders and plunged for the digital Leica M. The M8 has/had many problems. Right now, the M8 is priced decently in the used market. One should also be vigilant when buying one because of the many reported problems that plagued the M8. One should not pay more than $2000 for the rangefinder. Coupled that with a Zeiss ZM lens and try it for yourself. You may love it or hate it. One can always sell it back because there are lots of curious people out there especially in Asia where Leica seems to be targeting. Interesting enough, the M8 was listed for sale. A father and son (Asian) contacted me about my listing and came to my place to look at the camera. I asked what interested them on Leica. The boy flat out said "Leica is the best". I then, gave him the camera to play with. The boy did not know what he was doing. He just said that he heard it is the best therefore he had to have it. I do believe it has become more for status because of my experience with the buyer. In addition, what upsets me are the prices for used lens. I am talking about lens made in the 1960s and they are priced substantially high because of the digital Leica revolution. It is April now, and awaiting for the M9 to be available ubiquitously. Do I find it worth it? Maybe. Do I enjoy/love it? Yes. Do I find it expensive? Very much so! The keyword is love/enjoy, therefore I've already made up my mind on saving for one. When I have the funds, I may change my mind about it. If I do, at least I am $7000 richer. =)</p>

<p>Hi Eddy,</p>

<p>Thanks on your comment. Well, most of them are from nikon d50, also some from Contax G2 and still nothing from my M6, which I have only a few weeks now ;)</p>

<p>Rui</p>