Why I'm Not Renewing.

Do I really have to quote you? :D

Ummm... Yes.

 

:-)))<div></div>

I love the way people defend abbrv.txt by saying that all the folks who do it are brilliant, as if that was an excuse. Nobody said people who do it are stupid. In the context of a public forum like this one, it's just laziness - not stupidity - and simply displays that they could care less if anyone can understand them or not. Those of you with offspring or brothers who l337 each other all day long - are you suggesting that were they to contribute to PN, they'd l337 their posts? I'm guessing that, no, as perceptive young individuals, they'd understand that in this context, l337 is inappropriate for getting one's message across... true?

You are correct, nobody specifically said that people who use slang or abbreviations are stupid. It was very heavily implied that they were by H.P. I apologize now if he did not mean to imply such, but I suspect he probably did. Some heavyweight sentences, which in themselves don't really say a great deal specifically, have been related to one another in his post above, and some would argue, myself included, that there's a concious of subconcious reason for that.<p>

 

Here's the post in full I'm referring to:<p>

 

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Slang as part of a group identity is one of the curses of our age. Lazy, stupid people can't be bothered to be part of the culture of their nation and instead withdraw into groups who pretend to exclusivity in a variety of ways, usually a variation on a theme of 'how nasty can we be to others'. At its worst it ends in violent gang culture and at its best it promotes an unpleasant snobbery. I much prefer people who are plain and sensible, can put several words together in an informative mnner and who don't feel a need to distance themselves from the common herd.</i><p>

 

As you can see the words stupid and lazy both appear above, which is probably where my (stupid & lazy) brain associated the two and why I used them both in my post, with hindsight I should have omitted 'stupid' as the above is, as I mentioned, just a relationship thrown into the pot but not substantiated.<p>

 

However, people who use such words are not lazy, they are either exercising a choice, have no choice to exercise through a lack of education, or have had such language so heavily ingrained into their psyche through association that it has become habit. How does laziness come into this? Surely if they were truly lazy they wouldn't even post?<p>

 

That said, It's not how I choose to communicate here.<p>

 

So long, and thanks for all the pish.

Never mind, if you fail to understand my posts that doesn't mean you're stupid.....<div></div>

It may well do in my case :D

Just one final thought however, we are not the common herd, we are more than likely the priveledged in our respective countries, the people you mentioned above are probably more likely the common herd than we. In that case, who is distancing themselves from whom?

H.P,. I would say that on this site, laziness on the part of the reader / viewer / listener is often the greater problem. I've uploaded five images of detail shots of the National Cathedral recently, yet I'm sure the standard exterior wide view would get higher rates. Why? Because it requires little effort to digest. My shots are harder to read by comparison, and some people apparently can't be bothered.

 

So too in the case of Wynton Marsalis, where too many people are put off by an unfamiliar style and decide not to make much of an effort to look and listen to content which is outside their comfort zone. He is anything but lazy, in his music or his speech which would be obvious if you listened to either one.

 

I don't know anything about 1337 speak, but your comments seem to go way beyond this particular context to embrace some sort of amorphous, homogenized, formal style that we should all be required to use in all our communications. You have made it very clear that you think people who don't speak the way you want them to are lazy, and I can only assume that you've never lived in a place where you were a minority or have even associated with people whose culture is different from your own. If you had, you would be more sympathetic in the case of the former, and would recognize the richness of content in the latter.

I think that's called putting words into my mouth. There's no point in my re-iterating my arguments if you fail to understand them the first time.<div></div>

I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm trying to get at your views and the life experiences that guide them. You're throwing around words like "lazy", "stupid", and "incompetence" repeatedly, but then seem to want to distance yourself from them. Are you saying that you think Wynton's style of communication is "stupid" and "incompetent" or not? If you don't, then don't make it so easy for us to make the connection. That's your fault, not ours.

<i>There's no point in my re-iterating my arguments if you fail to understand them the first time.</i><p>

 

Does that mean you're 'totally incompetant' at getting your point across then? <p>

 

My understanding is that you think slang is a method by which the lazy can group themselves together in a clique and reject commonly held values. That this is always a negative thing which will lead to violence or snobbery (hmm that's ironic). Lazy and incompetant peoples poor performance is attributed to slang and or geekspeak and that this costs us all dearly at the till and mentally. That broadcasters should all use RP or some close approximation. And that the word diverse should be taken to mean stupid.<p>

 

I'm still searching for your hidden meaning that I failed to understand. Perhaps it's more a case that anyone can write a few vague sentences and then claim that those who don't have an epiphany upon reading them lack understanding. If I'm lacking in understanding them please educate me, I honestly want to know what I've missed - I really am not the sharpest tool in the box.

There are some people in the world who will agree with you. There are an awful lot of people in the world who don't care what you think at all and there are a few people who will do or say anything to prove that your view is wrong, even if they have to tie themselves in knots to do so.<div></div>

Carried out a poll did you?

"...It has everything to do with being lazy. I spend my life sorting out the problems that these "highly technical oriented people" leave behind with their inability to communicate clearly. Not that I'm complaining, mind you, I make a very nice living out of it. Time after time, though, I see laziness or downright incompetence disguised as slang or geek speak. The cost of this nonsense to industry and commerce is enormous and we all pay it in higher prices and the everyday annoyance..."

 

ah.....but we are not in whatever business you refer to now, are we? We are on the internet. We are in the domain of those that "speak" this way. Photo.net is a very small portion of that domain...in comparison to the amount of blogs, IMs emails, and a dozen other forms of "talking" on the internet, PN is a speck of dust...........a guess, but probably not far off. So, who's the one "bucking" the standard.....you are.

 

In the job you are in.....and I am also in a job that is akin to yours, I would imagine, yes, you gotta speak correctly...at least technically correctly. but PN aint there, it's not in the industry of manufacturing or technical services....it's in the realm of internet communications by the USER. The multitude of the users on the internet speak the same way....short and sweet. They understand each other. They have no problem communicating with each other. Only you and those that don't understand the new language have any complaints. "when in Rome, do as the Roman's do...."...soound familiar?

 

As implied above, either directly or indirectly, you could easily be constrewed as the really lazy one for not learning the language of the broad community (ie the internet in it's entirerty) in which you are "talking". but no need to take it all that far...you should simply let other's speak as they wish, and if you don't understand it, then either don't listen to them, or learn how to understand them. This is their domain...they are Rome in this case.

I assume that when you are on photo.net (Rome in this case) you should do (type your replys and questions) as photo.netters (Romans) do. This would mean trying at least to type out a sentence using real words and not IM chat stuff that only IM chat people can understand. Photo.net uses whole words to communicate in. Brian has stated numerous times that photo.net is not a chat room and therefore the posters should at least try to type coherently so there posts can be understood.

In hockey ppl means a protected player list. This defines rights to players in some leagues. ppl is somewhat more common a shortened hokey phrase used on cellphones/text messages for people, easy to type in quickly. How does one write that there are 34 people on the protected player list?

Yep, all the usual flame warriors in full fighting mode...<div></div>

HP...hmmmmmmmm......I wonder why Kevin's "ppl" internet usage term and your "flame" internet usage term are not being considered the same thing.....

 

<br><br><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&oi=defmore&defl=en&q=define:flame"><u>flame</u></a>

The most effective way to fan the flames is to use provocative words like "lazy", "stupid" and "incompetent", then sit back and smugly refuse to address specific points in the discussion.

 

I wonder how many ppl actually read the comment that was deleted.

I really don't feel like listening to you H.P. you have nothing valid to say here, and you know it because you havn't answered any of the valid points put to you. Your standard response is to post an assenine comment which alludes to you possesing a higher knowledge than everyone else.

 

If you have something of value to say then say it, afterall, 'anyone who uses English daily and is just too lazy to express themselves clearly, is seldom worth paying attention to.'.

 

I won't be feeding the trolls after this.

Trolls, eh? Of course, no-one around here's been trolling, have they...<div></div>

still using internet speak I see....<br><br><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=define%3Atroll&btnG=Search"><u>troll</u></a>

Re <i>Stuart K. Photo.net Patron Prolific Poster, dec 30, 2005; 11:58 a.m.<BR><BR>

What is a random collection of dots(........) supposed to represent. Can't find that anywhere on the internet.</i><BR><BR>In International Morse code 5 dots is the number 5. When one goofs up a transmission, a burst of dots is done . Here I use many, usually 8 like many books recomend for a "Error the corrected word is going to follow". Some books say only 6 of more are required. This depends on the connection between the two operators, their skill levels and ears.<BR><BR>This LONG row of periods/dots is also used as the error code with some machines, where a morse code type lamp blinks when one shorts out the test code wire contacts. <BR><BR>In writing an author-customer of ours uses an old manual typewriter uses a burst of dots for pauses. I'm sure when his secretary enters the rough draft into a a publishing program the correctness will be adjusted by spacing, less dots, ellipses, etc. We often make several copies of these rough drafts for the authors secretary/XYL. I threw in some code slang here to add some coolness. :)<BR><BR>At Painintheenglish.com I sometimes post about my semicolon habit; required for working with the Japanese. Here is a recent thread on <a href="http://www.painintheenglish.com/post.asp?id=482"><b>Use of multiple periods</b></a><BR><BR>@STOP<BR><BR>@FIN<BR><BR>73's<BR><BR>SK<BR><BR>N6 ......... :)

Way to finish off the year with a bang! Thanks for the entertainment and it's covered in my $25 subscription fee.

<p>I cant Believe you people pay money to be here. Why? I don't get it.<br>

that's kind of funny, I would never pay to be here. You can certainly get rejected and deleted for free,<br>

why pay for it? ;)<br>

Beautiful pics by the way Kevin,<br>

and don't give your money to these jokers on here.<br>

Happy Holidays and God Bless.</p>