niklas_persson Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 <p>I recently bought a Wista 45SP but currently have no lens for it. I have settled for a 150mm as it is equivalent to what use to shoot on 6x7 and 35mm. The ones I have found most praise about are Schneider 150mm f/5.6 Symmar-S and Rodenstock 150mm f/5.6 Sironar-S which both seem like fine lenses.</p><p>But would they be possible to store inside the folded camera in between locations? (I have suspicions they won't) What about the flipping the lens board trick?</p><p>Does anyone have other recommendations of 150mm (or near) lenses that would fit inside Wista 45SP folded, is decently sharp and good for both b&w and color positive (i.e. MC, perhaps it's not necessary? I have no experience of the difference)?</p><p>It might be valuable to add that I mainly make photographs in connection to installation/performance based artwork, meaning I usually carry a lot of other items in addition to camera gear. This is why I bought a folding camera and also why I'm looking forsomething that wouldn't add to the number of loose (and fragile) items.</p><p>I am very grateful for any enlightenment in the folding LF compact lens jungle!</p><p>Best,<br>Niklas</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph_dickerson Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 <p>Caltar IIe and Caltar (Calumet) Pro series 150mm lenses would probably fit. I have used both, as well as a Fuji 135mm W on a Shen Hao and they will fit it folded. I do use the reverse the lens board trick.<br> Both the Caltars are sharp stopped down, the Caltar IIe is a Rodenstock Geronar, and have adequate covering power. Not a lot mind but adequate for most field use.</p> <p>Joe Dickerson</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niklas_persson Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 <p>Joseph,</p> <p>Thank you for a swift and informative answer! I think I will stay away from the Sironar-S and Symmar-s (and lenses of similar physical size), even though I guess they are great lenses and gives a lot of coverage.</p> <p>Further, do you (or any one else for that matter) know of a place where you could find data of lenses including their physical size (diameter and length of back/font element + diameter and length of shutter)? I found this specific information very difficult to find... When I begun looking into LF I thought of buying a Horseman 45FA and for this I found a list online (http://www.komamura.co.jp/e/lens_list.html). Is there something similar for the Wista? Is it somewhat useful for the Wista 45SP as they share a lot of characteristics?</p> <p>Niklas Persson</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_salomon Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 <p>You can find specs on Rodenstock's and on Schneider's web sites.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niklas_persson Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 <p>Bob,</p> <p>I guess you are refering to this page for example? http://www.schneideroptics.com/info/vintage_lens_data/large_format_lenses/symmar-s/data/1,5,6-150mm.html</p> <p>As for Rodenstock, I didn't find any data on their lenses, perhaps I'm just blind? Also searching for "Sironar-S" on site:rodenstock.com gave me only their front page as result = they provide no data? Do they have another website then rodenstock.com?</p> <p>I am sorry, but I have looked there and I just cannot find physical lens size or outer diameter of front/back element. Could you direct me to a specific place where I would find information on the Schneider 150mm f/5.6 Symmar-S, Rodenstock 150mm f/5.6 Sironar-S and Rodenstock 150mm f/5.6 Sironar-N?</p> <p>All I can find is overall length (55mm for the Symmar-S for example) and filter diameter on unofficial sources (which I guess can add 2mm or so to get outer diameter of the front element). What about the back element? I am asking to learn what lenses would fit the Wista 45SP when closed _with_ lens board reversed.</p> <p>Best,<br> Niklas</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niklas_persson Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 <p>I just noticed that there is a site called rodenstock-photo.com http://www.rodenstock-photo.com which I guess have data but it currently says:</p> <p> <p><em>Dear LINOS and Rodenstock users!</em><br> <em>Unfortunately, our website is closed for the moment due to some maintenance we have to do. The server will be available again soon! Thank you for your patience!</em><br> <em>LINOS web administrator</em></p> <p>I guess that accounts for some of the confusion...</p> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niklas_persson Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 <p>After some further research to the depths of the Internet I have found lens data of both Schneider Symmar-S and Rodenstock Sironar-N / Sironar-S (the N version being the same as Caltar II-N).</p> <p>For anyone interested (future Wista 45SP + 150mm lens field/portable users):<br /> <em>Please note that this is calculations I have made from data charts from Schneider and Rodenstock and does not mean that I have tried the combinations! I will try to make an update when I have bought one (probably Symmar-S or Sironar-N/Caltar II-N).</em></p> <p><strong>Wista 45SP inner dimensions for lens</strong><br /> front max dimensions: around 41 mm depth and around 45 mm width<br /> back max dimensions: 47 mm depth (width redundant)</p> <p><strong>Rodenstock Sironar-N 150mm (27?/24? x 51/42 mm)</strong><br /> front: 27? mm depth x 51 mm diameter<br /> back: 24? mm depth x 42 mm diameter<br /> Image circle: 214mm<br /> Angle of view at f/22: 72°<br /> In a folded Wista 45SP: No, front diameter too large<br /> In a folded Wista 45SP (reversed): <strong>Probably, but it's a close one!</strong></p> <p><strong>Rodenstock Sironar-S 150mm (27,5?/24? x 51/51 mm)</strong><br /> front: 27,5 mm depth x 51 mm diameter<br /> back: 24 mm depth x 51 mm diameter<br /> Image circle: 231mm<br /> Angle of view at f/22: 75°<br /> In a folded Wista 45SP: No, front diameter too large<br /> In a folded Wista 45SP (reversed): No, back diameter too large</p> <p><strong>Schneider Symmar-S 150mm (36,5/18,5 x 60/40,5 mm)</strong><br /> front: 38,4-35,9 mm depth (depending on shutters) x 60 mm diameter<br /> back: 16,6-19,1 mm depth (depending on shutters) x 40,5 mm diameter<br /> Image circle: 210 mm<br /> Angle of view at f/22: 70°<br /> In a folded Wista 45SP: No, front diameter too large<br /> In a folded Wista 45SP (reversed): <strong>Yes</strong></p> <p>Other options that would probably fit in a closed Wista 45SP, but usually with a smaller image circle and/or sacrificed max aperature, includes (kind of incomplete info, sorry):</p> <p>150mm f6.3 Fujinon W (140g, 40.5mm filter, published image circle 224mm)<br /> 150mm f5.6 Schneider Xenar (170g, 34mm filter, published image circle 173mm)<br /> 150mm f9 Schneider G Claron (130g, 35.5mm filter, published image circle 189mm)<br /> 150mm f6.3 Calumet Caltar II-E (Rodenstock Geronar, B&H claims 180mm image circle @ infinity)<br /> 150mm f5.6 Calumet Caltar Pro (Schneider Xenar, same as Xenar's published image circle 173mm probably?)</p> <p>Information gathered from Kerry Thalmann's page about lightweight lenses http://www.thalmann.com/largeformat/mid-rang.htm and Joseph Dickerson post (above), Schneider Optics PDF archive http://www.schneiderkreuznach.com/archiv/pdf/ and Paul Butzi's page about Rodenstock lenses info http://www.butzi.net/rodenstock/rodenstock.htm</p> <p>Regards,<br /> Niklas</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victor_randin Posted November 4, 2009 Share Posted November 4, 2009 <p>Try also classic Schneider Xenar's: 4.5/150mm and/or the 5.6/150mm - both are very good lenses and can be stored inside the 45SP.<br> I got almost same measurements of my Schneider Symmar S 5.6/150mm: front: 35,9mm depth (Synchro Compur) x 60 mm diameter, 52mm for filter; back: 16,2mm depth x 40,5 mm diameter. (BTW, it does not fit inside MT 45)<br> I found the Apo-Sironar S 5.6/135mm to be more universal lens for the 4X5" field camera than any of my four 150mm lenses.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_faverty Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 <p>I have atleast three lenses that fit with in my Wista when folded, they all have a copal 0 shutter: a Nikon 150mm, a Rodenstock 135mm, and an S&K Xenar 150mm. <br> There are some lens with the filter attached that have to be placed in backward, making sure the lens doesn't pop through the ground glass. Small, shallow lenses often fit, just take care. I even leave the shutter release cable attached. Adjusting the sliding trays is also important with the Nikon.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niklas_persson Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 <p>Thank you both! I am now a happy user of a 150mm Schneider Symmar-S which fits perfectly backwards (but yes, it's really close to the ground glass with a yellow filter and lens cap on!)<br> Best,<br> Niklas</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noah Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 <p>I know this is an old thread but for future reference--I recently picked up a used Wista 45VX. It folds with my Apo-Sironar S 150mm (with lenscap) with no problem and without reversing the lensboard. </p> <p>This is a huge plus in my opinion...makes setup a breeze.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thibault_massart Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 <p>Again, old thread but interest is still there IMO...</p> <p>I just got myself a pristine Wista RF, which I really love already (coming from a Cambo SCII) but couldn't help notice that my 'Symmar-S 150' will NOT fit in the Wista folded down even with the board reversed.<br> Is that because my Symmar-S is marked as Caltar II-S (the same, I know) and is a bit different physiczally or is the RF different in that way than the SP/VX ?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_salomon Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 <p>Are you using the recessed lens board?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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