Dave Luttmann Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>I just read about this at the Rangefinderforum. Wasn't sure if anyone saw it.</p><p><a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Kodak-Now-Offers-its-New-prnews-14378734.html">http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Kodak-Now-Offers-its-New-prnews-14378734.html</a></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_welsh Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>That is fantastic! And, the digital guys love to say that film will be gone in a few years.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Luttmann Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>I'm dying to try this out. My scan of the 35mm version show minimal grain at 16x24. This film may allow me to use 4x5 a bit less. Hmmm....now what if it comes out in 4x5? </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly_hughes Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>Sweet. It sure would be nice if it had spools like Fuji with the little hook to grab the film for easy take-up, without having to add a small piece of tape...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_dimarzio Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>Cool, available in April. Maybe it will be time to get the 500 out for a spin or two.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek_kennedy Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>This 100% digital guy turned BACK into a fim guy is happy to hear that this film is now available in 120!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Luttmann Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>I agree Derek. I was almost all digital with the wedding and portraiture work I do. For landscapes, I still held onto the RB67 and 4x5 gear. As I stopped using 120 for a long while, I got rid of my Nikon 9000 and just used an Epson V700 for 4x5. Now of course, the V700 isn't the best for 120....but it will have to do for a while.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_welsh Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>This B&W guy will have to get some when it comes out!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek_kennedy Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>Dave:</p> <p>I ended up with the V500 as I cant afford a dedicated film scanner that does 120 although I do have one for 35mm. As you said - not the best but good enough until I can afford a proper scanner. The V500 only has a strip of glass to do slides - I wish I could scan 8x10ish transparencies so I can make contact sheets/scans of my negative strips while still in the plastic sheets I use to keep them in a binder. I can still do it but a couple strips at a time which is a real pita.</p> <p>Back in November I got back into film - shooting b&w and developing it myself (a first for me) and a couple weeks ago I got a wet darkroom set up - another first for me. I'm enjoying using the old cameras in my collection which include a couple Leicas, and a GW670II.</p> <p>But I might have to pick up this film since Ive heard so much good things about it. Even if it is colour :P</p> <p>Luckily my local camera store still develops 120, but colour only no slides or tru b&w: those they send out.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Luttmann Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>Derek,</p> <p>I was blown away the first time I scanned 4x5 on my V700. It was enough that I decided then and there that for high quality.....film was the way to go.....unless you've got $35,000 to spend on a digital back to give you the same quality as a $2 sheet of film ;-)</p> <p>Best of luck on your darkroom....there is nothing like the smell of B&W chemistry when your processing film!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p><em>That is fantastic! And, the digital guys love to say that film will be gone in a few years.</em><br /><em></em><br />This is a quote worthy of <em>Ice Age II</em> (the movie). "How can mammoths go extinct? They're so big." For that matter, what's keeping Kodak from going extinct?</p> <p>Anyway, it's worth giving E100 a toss now that it's in roll film. It beats the rainbows and unicorns we get from Washington these days.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jongky Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>My old memory.<br> <img src="http://w3ww.dchome.net/attachments/day_080912/20080912_ef293f68269990a32c5bIOeClD5fSWmz.jpg" alt="" width="759" height="505" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Luttmann Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 <blockquote> <p ><a href="../photodb/user?user_id=419409">Edward Ingold</a> <a href="../member-status-icons"><img title="Subscriber" src="http://static.photo.net/v3graphics/member-status-icons/sub8.gif" alt="" /><img title="Frequent poster" src="http://static.photo.net/v3graphics/member-status-icons/3rolls.gif" alt="" /></a>, Feb 17, 2009; 02:33 p.m.</p> <p><em>That is fantastic! And, the digital guys love to say that film will be gone in a few years.</em><br /><em></em><br />This is a quote worthy of <em>Ice Age II</em> (the movie). "How can mammoths go extinct? They're so big." For that matter, what's keeping Kodak from going extinct?</p> <p>Anyway, it's worth giving E100 a toss now that it's in roll film. It beats the rainbows and unicorns we get from Washington these days.</p> </blockquote> <p>I'm not certain what keeps Kodak from going extinct.....but it could have something to do with $3 Billion in film sales.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q.g._de_bakker Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>A bit off-topic. But still, it did come up.<br><br />Film is responsible for about 19% of Kodak's revenue.<br />Consumer digital provides about 45%. Graphic communications about 35%. All else they do makes up the 100%.</p><p>Still an important chunk, film. But don't worry about Kodak going extinct should film do. ;-)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_welsh Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>"For that matter, what's keeping Kodak from going extinct?"<br />Agree, Dave! While film might not be Kodak's biggest sales. It is big enough for them to introduce new films now and then. Which goes to show that there are alot of film users out there. Even if the digital doomsayers don't want to believe it!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oskar_ojala Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>Great news! Just when I got into improving my film technique...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>Kodak may (or may not*) have grossed 3B from film sales, but they lost 800M in 2008 out of gross revenues of just over 9B. For those of you unfamiliar with accounting practices, gross sales and profits are not the same thing. In the last 10 years, their stock has lost 90% of its value.</p><p>As I was saying about mammoths...</p><p>* The percentage of sales from film is not listed on their balance sheet. Companies typically group their sales figures to obscure the profit or loss for any given division.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Luttmann Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>Edward....if they were losing money on film, I don't think they'd be releasing new emulsions in various formats. Same with Fuji. I'd say they are making a decent profit on film.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmdelux Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>this will work great on my Makina 6x7. yeehaw.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p><em>Edward....if they were losing money on film, I don't think they'd be releasing new emulsions in various formats. </em><br> <em></em> <br> Does GM release new cars? It seems so, from the Auto Show in Chicago last weekend, but they're still not making money. It may be an act of desperation for Kodak, or maybe less than it seems. Ektar 100 is a retread.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmdelux Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>As a cpa I kabish GAAP a little bit...appears film contributed to revenue -- no surprise as R&D covered long time ago -- its the other stuff that is flat or negative. Kodak wont survive on film alone, but it does contribute to the bottom line.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Luttmann Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>Thanks Paul...that is what I've heard as well. Regardless, there will be a lot of Ektar rolling through my RB!!!!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crowe Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>Darn it! I have digital and 4x5. Don't tell me I'm going to have to buy that SWC or 6x9 camera that I've always wanted. Well, I'll wait a bit and see if it comes out in 4x5 first.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Ingold Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p><em>...appears film contributed to revenue...</em></p> <p>Revenue = profit? Please cite your sources and methods regarding Kodak film sales. All I see are gross results.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmdelux Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 <p>Edward: Relax. As with any smart company we will never know exactly what $ film produced -- as its lumped in with various other legacy items purposely. But we know from its financials that the category film has positive cash flows.</p> <p>Careful with the term "profit" -- ask Enron and Bernie Madoff;-) </p> <p>Best regards and happy snaps. Paul</p> <p> </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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