50D

Darn! I've only had my 40D for a couple of months! But 15 MP for a 50D? Surely not! We all know that more MP

means smaller photosites and less light reaching them. Canon seems to be creating sensors with more MP while

trying to maintain noise levels. Maintain? Why not improve noise performance! I'm looking for an affordable

camera that will comfortably outperform my 40D and 400D in the noise department, as well as dynamic range.

 

So what is the effect of photosite size on high ISO performance? DPReview commented on the 21 MP 1DsIII saying

''In truth the Mark III isn't likely to be the first port of call for anyone prioritizing very high ISO

performance..'' They also said of the Nikon D3 ''Of course the Nikon D3, which has the advantage of far larger

pixels, produces noticeably less noisy results at higher ISO settings (without any serious impact on detail) -

and keeps on going all the way to an unprecedented ISO 25,600."

 

Sure, the 1DsIII is designed for studio work and for situations where high resolution is important, but...

 

Is Canon losing the plot?

 

Cheers, Bob.

"I don't understand Canon's thought processes anymore. They have refreshed from the 20D to 30D to 40D and now 50D so quickly, while letting the 5D languish. Their differentiation between XT vs. XTi vs. XSi vs. XS is also razor-thin. I have no idea what market they think they are serving by refreshing these models with extremely-similar versions on such a frequent basis, while leaving their 5D market to rot. Nikon has done a far better job coming out with newer models that fit the marketplace these past few years."

 

I think everyone was expecting a 5D replacement this time around. I too was expecting it. Why they haven't yet I don't know. I'd surely like a 5DII myself. If the 50D is 15 megapixels, I might budge on getting one. I tend to shoot a lot of 16x20 pics and make those with a 6x7 camera, so I'd like all the rez I can get. My last digi slr was a XTi at 10 mp, so 15 is a nice jump for me. Now the price is what I'd wonder about. I wonder when we will see a 5D replacement, as I'd still like to go full frame.

Its real

 

http://www.canon.com.au/about/press_room/story_1952.html

 

sorry if this has been posted already.

So I can laugh now to a guy that call me an "easy to fool" guy. Whoever you are you are such a FOOL.

It's on Canon USA web site also.

 

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=17499

EF-S LIVES! :)

 

I have nothing against full frame. I may own an FF camera one day. But for now, I am happy to see that for a few more years, there will be current production cameras to use my EF-S lenses on, just in case my old body needs to be retired.

 

/bing

Per new rumor 5D Mark II will have 21 MP.

I wonder if maybe there will not be a successor to the 5D. It is so overdue compared to models in the 40D/50D line and Rebel line I have to wonder if Canon plans to continue it. It's not like consumers, prosumers and pros don't have pretty good alternatives.

There will be....be patient.

As some of the grumpier people are heard a lot I'll let you hear another voice:

 

In about one year my 400D will be worn out and my savings hopefully swollen.

 

The 50D will probably have dropped a little in price and it has (in order of appreciation):

 

Very high ISO with respectable noise levels, a nice big viewfinder, auto ISO, superfast AF and a better screen, all in a 30D sized-and-weighted rugged body that's accoring to some sources even dust-and-waterdrop-sealed.

 

(Not to mention folder selection, a few more pixels, enhanced liveview for MF, 6+ FPS, mini-RAW, better handling of high contrast situations and vignettecontrol which are all welcome but not that high on my wishlist.)

 

Woohoo, Matthijs.

"Woohoo, Matthijs"

 

Quite right too, Matthijs: despite what the whiners have to say about it, the 50D looks to be a *fantastic* camera.

 

There's more to come too - it's a good time to be a Canon user.

“..they'll make next to no difference to the quality of your photography or the quality of your images. Maybe they'll

give you 5% more "keepers" if you're lucky, but probably not even that.

…

After buying many, many cameras, I can say that none of them have really improved my photography. When I've

accidentally taken a great shot, it's really never been the advanced technology in the camera that's been

responsible. It's usually not even been the quality of the lens. It's been the subject, lighting, composition and finding

the right moment to shoot, and none of that has much to do with either the camera or the lens (once you pass a

basic quality level which ALL current DSLRs pass).”

 

I agree that lighting, composition, and “the” moment are what makes a good or great photo, and I confess that I lack

in capturing/creating 2 or more of those areas most of the time. I have to counter that it is not the idea that a new

camera will solve my short comings. Rather, it is that newer technology may give me more opportunity to compose

or capture a moment. Higher ISOs, faster AF, better AF, more tools, all may give me a few more opportunities that I

do not have now. That is the allure for me.

 

While I love the photos that I’ve made with every camera I’ve had, I still feel remorse over shots that got away

because AF was too slow and missed the moment, or the ISO was so slow that the photo had either a lot of motion

blurring or muddied shadows, or whatever the short coming of the camera was… Sure, it can be said I should have

been able to recognize that the opportunity was unfolding or planned better, however its not always easy to time the

moment or recognize that its coming. And, even very good technique can’t overcome some of the short comings of

a camera.

 

Having 5% more keepers, it is worth a LOT. How many “it” photos could be in that batch? The ones you really

love. Maybe not a lot, but we won't really know until we take a few photos.

 

However, practically, it is hard to justify buying every new camera. The 50D is Very tempting, and I may buy it when

it is available. However, I’d still rather hold out for a little while longer and see if a 5D replacement comes before the

end of the year. I’m conflicted because I could use every bit of the new ISO ranges in a lot of the photos I take, but

also I love to take other photos that beg for a full frame sensor, and like most I can’t afford both. I’m just going to

have to miss a few photos ops with my rebel for a while longer and see what else unfolds.

I agree with Matt Brost. ISO performance in particular is key to me - 1 to 1.5 stops improvement is huge. I like shooting around dusk when the light is nice and soft, and I can't tell you how many shots I've missed because of motion blur or shake. Doubling or tripling shutterspeeds certainly would help a lot.

 

I say: 10% more pixels in each direction, meh, whatever. But clean 1600 iso and useable 3200 iso would be just awesome, worth an upgrade.

I have a bag full of cameras and lenses and will upgrade from a 400D to the 50cal. Having said this, Matt's post is illustrative. It almost seems like damn luck is one of the keys to a good shot. My point is that I hope for more damn luck with the 50D than I have had with other cameras.

I haven't learned to fully us my 40D so, the 50D is of no interest to me. Seems to me that photograpers of old used to use their equipment for many years before trading up; and they still took great pictures. So I indend to do the same. Maybe the time to pick up a second 40

D body as a back up.

Some more 50D examples:

 

Wow, this is getting long!

 

Just to have my 2 pence worth - I'm a pro & I use both systems EFS and EF & they are both just as 'good' and both

have their place.

 

Wide lenses are cheaper than long lenses (L series glass)

 

- I'd much rather use a 10 mp 40D body to have an extra 1.6 x crop on top of a 200 or 400mm lens when i'm doing

motor sport photography or wildlife photography or for reportage. I also save myself a vast sum over the 1DMK3

(which has less crop anyway). My 2 40D's have been all over the world with me, in all kinds of situations in all

kinds of weather - 1 got soaked in a downpour, one got full of sand...yet i've never had any problems with them

ever and, if you know what your doing, their inferior focus system to the 1D series, doesn't really become a

problem. You just have to find ways to work around it, try something new or different. I've never had a problem

getting pin sharp images of cars approaching me at 200mph when i've been on the pit wall. And the images it

produces are fantastic, period.

 

They generate far less attention when you want to be discrete, the grip is detachable - which is a massive boon,

especially when I want to do a rig shot or want to attached the camera to a car or moving object, because it

weighs much less. Also all the accessories and batteries are cheap as chips. The 10-22mm EFS lens and the

17-55 2.8 IS are both fantastic and I would judge comparably to L series in image quality (17-40 f4 & 24-17

F2.8). Ok, so you can't use these lenses on a FF, that never bothered me because I usually run only primes on

the 5D I had, mainly because the camera was too slow to use in anything other than 'set up' situations where I

knew what focal length I required anyway.

 

I will continue to run both systems side by side - but I definitely will not be 'upgrading' to 50D's until they

start selling them for what their worth - around the £600-700 mark- then I might give them a punt. This is

especially true when you consider that you can pick up a 'new' second hand 40D in Mint condition for around £400!

 

I will be buying the new 5D Mk2 simply because it will be a great studio camera for fashion and advertising and

yet it will still be able to go out on location and perform with a fair lick of speed - should a client require a

larger res image than the 40D can supply. Also the 5D images - although they required a lot more post-processing

than any other camera i've own - always looked stunning, just a little bit special, especially landscapes. Must

have been the high IQ. (?) So for me the 5D MK2 is a no brainer - I will be pawning my grandmother any day

now... :o)

 

As for the 1D series of cameras, well it's funny...although at times I do have the money to invest in this range,

in 8 years i've never thought that they were good enough value. I enjoy using them when I get loaned them - and

I hate going back to the 5D or 40D for about a day or 2 - when I think of all that lovely glass I bought instead,

or that I could have 5 10MP 40D's for the price of 1 10MP 1D MK3 - it just doesn't add up. As for weather

sealing and all that, well I've never had a problem.

Nice, now the 40D price will drop some more.