Full frames Vs 50D

I know i should know this yet unfortunately i get lost in the mathematics after a long day. <br>

 

Can someone please advise me as to how the 50D will shape up Vs the 5D, 1ds mk2 for IQ? Noise? <br>

 

What are the differences? benefits ? Disadvantages? aside from the 1.6 factor and FPS. if you think i have

forgotten to mention any relevant aspects feel free to add it. <br>

 

Anything really outstanding about the 50D?<br>

 

very much appreciated!<br>

Noise is not the issue as noise can be removed from any image at the expense of detail. The 5D delivers a lot

more detail at higher ISO than other cameras. We will have to wait for someone to do side-by-side high ISO

comparisons to see how good the 50D is, but chances are the 5D will still have a slight edge in providing more

detail.

Sam, seriously, the 50D was announced yesterday - do you really expect anyone will be able to give you a qualified answer to your question?

My advice would be to wait for more test shots and reviews to emerge.

What Martin said...

 

Not the first time that someone has done this and won't be the last.

 

You can't compare A to B when A hasn't even gone on sale yet.

 

Be patient.

It would be like comapring the Canon 5D vs The nikon D300. I think the 5D won out on that one. Size matters !

Simple math: The 5D is 1 stop better than the 40D. The 50D is 1.5 stops better than the 40D. Ipso Fatso, the 50D

should be .5 stops better than the 5D.

 

I think I'll wait for the side by side comparisons, as well. Normally, pixel size matters, but the 50D introduces some new

tech on the sensor in "gapless microlenses,", which (they say...) will allow more light to be gathered for each photo site.

So it's not a direct comparison, and that makes assumptions, like the fuzzy math presented above, meaningless. So

we'll see.

 

That aside, if the 50D can better the 5D in noise performance, well, I may be moving from the 5D to the 50D. Getting

better image quality in a smaller and lighter package with higher shooting speeds with better AF might prove too tempting

to resist. We'll see.

"That aside, if the 50D can better the 5D in noise performance, well, I may be moving from the 5D to the 50D. Getting better image quality in a smaller and lighter package with higher shooting speeds with better AF might prove too tempting to resist. We'll see."

 

Let me add to that, A built in flash.

Thanks a heap for those answers guys, especially considering its difficult to find proof without pudding. <br>

I am pleased that there are those that can discern probable performance from specs alone. <br>

Im still not certain if there are any advantages of a full frame over the CMOS crop of the 50D. Is it only true lens representation?<br>If not when considering all the other factors the 50D is a steal is it not and shouldn't seriously effect the vastly more expensive full frame sales..?

Well, Even if the 50d have lesser noise, The 5d still have an advantage due to the bigger pixel sites, Which produces lesser CA using the same lens, and probably still have slightly more DR.

To David Manzi: not sure if your first paragraph is tongue-in-cheek, or not. Either way, my hat's (if I had one) off to you ;)

Not even a fair comparison -- old DIGIC II (5D) vs. new D!G!C 4 (50D) computer.

 

50D ought to win by a longshot. But... when the D!G!C 4-based 5D2 is announced it will be the new King, easily, and Nikon will be forced to respond next year.

Hey mendel hows it going? Can you stroke me off too?

Hey Ken, surely it can't be a digicIV - you told us yourself.

I already wrote about the D!G!C 4 yesterday... I am too surprised by this already! Chagrined to say the least.

With no basis except history, I'm thinking that the "5D mk 2" will be called the "6D" whenever it does come out.

 

That mk 2 business has only been done at the top of the line, and is confusing and makes it difficult to keep track of what model is what (at least for me). Of course when they get up to the "10D" they're going to have to try something else. ;)

When comparing the 50D to the 5D, the 50D gives you an extra zero.

"When comparing the 50D to the 5D, the 50D gives you an extra zero."

 

That's pretty helpful and insightful at the same time. Wish I was such a Thinker.

the 5D replacement will not be called the 6D... It will be called the 4D. Canon have decided to move backwards with their Full Frame cameras.

 

It will have the following features.

 

10 megapixels, 1fps, DiG!C 1 processor. Only usably extends to ISO 800, Dialed back to 1 non-cross type sensor that doesn't actually autofocus your lens.

 

Of course, they took out the seals and replaced them with anti-weather-resistant holes, and made the tripod mount permanently detachable.

 

Oh wait, that's the leica M8

Noise is not the only issue. 1.6 crop cameras with FF lenses tend to use the sweet spot of the lens. However, by using less lens reall estate they actually work the lenses harder for a given print size.

 

How all of this stacks up is difficult to predict. It is possible that even if the 50D has a higher pixel count and lower noise than the 5D, the 5D may still produce a better image because it is less demanding of the lens. Format size matters.

the proverbial rule of thumb that "size does matter" is inescapable . . .

Mendel,

 

Yes, a tongue in cheek reply, but I have read those numbers in a few places. But math doesn't buy it for me, I want some RAW files to download and play with. Could be a while...

Arie,

 

Your analysis of the two cameras is seriously flawed. The 50D does not give you an extra zero, it gives you 45 more, and the result is something ten times better. It might be possible that being ten times better might not result in pictures that are ten times better, so we'll have to see. Maybe we can explain the gap by dividing the 50D by 1.6 since it's a sub-frame camera and the 5D is full frame. That means that the 50D, when compensated by 1.6 is only a 31.25D when compared to a 5D. My guess is that most of that numerical difference can be atrributed to the DigicIV processor which is 200% better than the DigicII in the 5D.

 

Clearly, I'm way out of my league here, mathmetically.

 

;-)