cliff_gallup Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I'd be curious to know if any users of this lens view chromatic aberration as a real problem or even a potential deal-breaker. I am in the market for a lens with this range and am reluctant to pony up $900+ for the Nikkor version (which rarely can be found used). The Tokina seems like the next best thing, but many of the reviews highlight the CA issue, and it looks pretty bad in some of the test shots I've seen. If I were a raw shooter I guess I wouldn't care that much, but I primarily shoot JPEGs. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonybeach Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Here is a shot my son took with this lens: http://photos.imageevent.com/tonybeach/mypicturesfolder/sharing/_AWB4917.jpg Here is a 100% crop: http://photos.imageevent.com/tonybeach/mypicturesfolder/sharing/_AWB4917_Crop-1.jpg If you think it's too much CA, than you should be shooting RAW (even with a lens that has less CA) to extract maximum detail and colors from your files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Laur Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 You should seriously consider the Sigma 10-20, then, as well. Same basic price point, and the extra 2mm can be surprisingly useful. I don't use the Tokina, so I leave it to others to address that lens' CA. I find it to be minimal on the Sigma, though I have found a couple of occasions (say, tree branches against a very bright sky at the edges of a 10mm shot) where I used a couple of mouse clicks in Capture NX to tweek the CA... and it worked like a charm. I was also reluctant to pay for the Nikkor, and put the difference into their 70-200, where is absolutely, positively IS worth it. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I have never used the Tokina version, but even the 12-24mm/f4 AF-S Nikkor has some noticable chromatic aberration at 12mm. See my 2nd Crater Lake image in this thread: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00GpeZ There is obvious red and green color fringing on either side of that tree at 12mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliff_gallup Posted July 19, 2007 Author Share Posted July 19, 2007 Can CA in JPEGs be fixed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonybeach Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 "Can CA in JPEGs be fixed?" Editing RAW files is easier and more effective than editing JPEG files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daan_barnhoorn Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I owned the Tokina 12-24mm and traded it for the Nikon 12-24mm because of the excessive CA's. I did find it way too much for my taste. Certainly when shooting JPEG's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_manning1 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 FWIW, I like my Tokina 12-24. Plenty of examples on my site. It's my only non-Nikkor lens and I'm satisfied with my decision still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans_janssen Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 DXO removes the CA from your pictures perfect, it has modules for a lot of lenses(including the tokina and sigma) with all variables of the lens in it. Not only the CA but the vignetting is removed. Perfect program to 'develop' your RAWS. BTW I love my Sigma 10-20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliff_gallup Posted July 19, 2007 Author Share Posted July 19, 2007 Does DxO only work with RAW files, or can it be used to correct JPEGs too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iancoxleigh Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I have the Tokina and the CA is an issue for me even though I shoot RAW (sorry no samples immediately at hand). If I had it do again, I'd buy the Sigma (mostly for the extra 2mm too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gv Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I think that the 24mm focal length is more useful than 20mm on a zoom, and 10mm is a focal length that most people will seldom find useful. The constant aperture of the Tokina is another plus, particularly for photographers who use incident meters or studio strobes. The Sigma 10-20 seems most suitable for landscape/tripod use, while the Tokina is more versatile for travel photography and reportage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ned1 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I own the Tokina and I am not happy with the CA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mars790 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I own the Tokina and love it. I use dfine by Nik as the first step in processing. Does a great job on many fronts, including CA - and the program works wonders on jpegs. 2.0 was just released and i intend on picking it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric_arnold Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 maybe i have a good copy, but it hasn't been a big issue for me. a larger issue might be that there's a bit of distortion at 12mm which might be a concern for architecture shooters but not really noticeable for landscapers. so i guess it depends what you're gonna use it for. no lens is perfect, but this one's a beaut, well worth the price. it has top-quality build and essentially same specs as the nikon, so i wouldn't be surprised if they both have the same exact glass. but the tokina has the focus clutch feature which is pretty nice. nikon has bigger price tag. if that makes you feel more confident, go for it. otherwise, get the 12-24 tokina (and rebel against the tyranny of nikkor snobs).<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonybeach Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Eric, CA shows up in enlargements, and the example you provided is too small to distinguish CA from sharpening halos (although I would say it's a nice shot and looks fine to me). Also, I would be surprised if any two maker's lenses used the same glass (although Pentax shares some lens formulas with Tokina, so they may well share some glass); I'm reasonably certain that Nikon's ED glass is proprietary and it is clear that the Tokina and Nikon super wide zoom lenses use different formulas (Tokina uses 13 elements in 11 groups, Nikon uses 11 elements in 7 groups). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert_hohlfelder Posted July 21, 2007 Share Posted July 21, 2007 I have the 12-24 Tokina and am pleased with it. Yes, at the widest zoom settings there is some CA toward the edge of the image. I wouldn't call it "bad", but it can be seen clearly at 100% magnification. I use DXO Optics Pro to process my images, and it fixes the CA. At roughly half the price of the Nikon equivalent, I am entirely satisfied with the Tokina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cguaimare Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 Sorry I am a begginer. Can anyone tell me what CA stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted July 22, 2007 Share Posted July 22, 2007 CA: Chromatic Aberration, or color fringing in the images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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