john_r.2 Posted February 17, 2002 Share Posted February 17, 2002 I know one thing I can count on and that is my use and preference of using traditional imaging products and processes. I agree with what Micheal said to just keep using and supporting the use of films, papers and chemicals as has been done for decades. Manufacturers will recognize the market and continue to support it if we create it. I'm not against digital imaging but I'm not nearly as dedicated to it as I am to traditional imaging. I believe most people find traditional imaging more satisfying to work with. The digital investment is ridiculous for the quality acheived. Unless you are a major shooter with big clients or a catalog production house I just don't see the ROFI in digital. There is going to need to be a balance stricken between the two methods of imaging and the manufacturers, retailers, suppliers will need to accomodate the demands in both those areas. <p> After the expense and time I've put into digital my vote goes to traditional processes and materials! Although digital shines when it comes to retouching or corrections. You can keep the rest of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_rasmussen Posted February 17, 2002 Share Posted February 17, 2002 If there is any question as to Kodak's intent with Pro film in the future, I suggest contacting their Pro film manager Jeffrey. jeff.gunderman@kodak.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_candland1 Posted February 17, 2002 Share Posted February 17, 2002 The problem is the vast majority of the market isn't pros or even hobbists. It's Joe Blow with the new kid or the vacation pics of Europe. It's people who wouldn't know quality if it knocked them across the face. Digital quality is improving and prices are droping. Remember when CDs first came out, when VHS first came out? It was a $1000 for those products. Now it's $30. The same will happen to digital photography. In fact it already is. and when price and quality get close to silver, Joe blows not gonna wanna drive down to walmart for his pictures. When that happens we all might be in trouble. I hope I'm wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_ilomaki3 Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 Here is my 2 cents worth for free. <p> I think the next Star Wars episode will be a watershed, as Lucas is (I hear) shooting it on video with computer disc memory. He will then use UBB (Ultra Broad Band) technology to send it via satellite to theatres on a per-showing basis, thus eliminating bad prints and more effectively controlling piracy. <p> This will also allow easier editing, addition of CGGs and sound /Foley/syncing as well. <p> If it works, then Kodak, Fuji et al will lose a really big slice of their film business. If it is not popular, then they will be able to keep making thusands of miles a year and we will still have the crumbs. I have said before: Kodak has giant investments in China for film and paper and Fuji does in Europe. Soon we may be buying Kodak film from China, just as most everything else we buy that is manufactured. <p> The main reason CDs & digital sound took over as fast as they did was because of the inherent weak points in vinyl: Tape hiss, limited dynamic range, a fixed lifespan for a plastic groove subjected to incredible forces by a diamond stylus, click & pops etc. Digital is MUCH better than analog sound, despite what the purists and their Sondek TTables say. Digital photography will take over when it is not only as good, but better and esier to use. Investing a thousand bucks in a computer is the main obstacle. The future may well lie in the do-it-yourself machines in stores and malls. In Shanghai last year I could take a Compact Flash card into a shop, load it into either Photoshop or some other software, then make 1 or 100 prints of any size up to 11 x 14 on a Kodak machine on RA4 silver based paper. I am sure Fuji and Konica are not far behind, if at all. <p> Galen Rowell has all his exhibition prints done on Fuji Frontier or Pictrography machines on Fuji Crystal Archive Silver based paper: <p> see www.mountainlight.com. <p> I predict both will be running side by side for a long time. <p> Cheers <p> Cheers <p> I await the results of Star Wars V with great anticipation, but will keep my LF cameras, Metol, HQ and Pyro, as well as Bregger's E Mail address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.graemehird.com Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 Good-bye and good riddance.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce_wehman Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 Ok, the market for large format film goes South; Companies like Kodak stop making it; Material costs go up and LF B&W becomes an Alt. Process practiced by a niche group of Die-Hards........With the dilettantes weeded out, the quality level of the output goes up and people start thinking: "Gee, this film stuff really isn't such a bad thing after all." <p> Wassswrong with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur_gottschalk Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 I suggest we all bone up on alternative process photography. Do-it- yourself is the future for traditional photography. There's even a newsleter on this theme, "The World Journal of Post-Factory Photography." Info can be found on the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik4 Posted February 18, 2002 Share Posted February 18, 2002 "Digital is MUCH better than analog sound, despite what the purists and their Sondek TTables say". This is not an audiophile forum so I won't turn this into an audiophile debate but let me disagree with you vehemently on this statement, Richard, and I am no purist. I will just say that you have not heard a good analogue set up, Linn Sondek or not. Let me just say that you have to qualify your adjectives. Anytime you use adjectives like 'MUCH better' (emphasis yours) you open a huge can of worms. And it is the same in digital versus analogue photography. So let's not make blanket statements like that. We, vinyl buffs, are not delusional and the superiority of analogue versus its digital equivalent in quality are real, and often in areas which you least expect. <p> I am writing this to register my protest at a blanket statement, not to start an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canfred Posted February 19, 2002 Share Posted February 19, 2002 Hi all Yes ,right and the wheel will be replaced by a digital version too. Manfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_saunier Posted February 27, 2002 Share Posted February 27, 2002 You silly people, film will always endure. How many beta cassettes do you see anymore? There might be a few, stuck underneath the Super8 reels of the world. And who wants their wedding pictures on Photo CD? B&W in particular will never go away, and is even today blossoming from all the new emulsions out. Let's face it, if Kodak's only concern was popular demand, B&W would have gone away in the 80's. For every one professional photographer out there who develops his Tri-x in a Jobo, there are probably 500 civilians who develop their Max 100 at Wal-Mart. And don't gripe about some chem or another going away, off the top of my head I can name 9 or 10 different Kodak developers that have been around since the Ice Age. Besides, if you really need to get that perfect push-processed, solarized B&W reversal, you could actually mix it yourself as we all had to do in the ELDER DAYS. Remember the ELDER DAYS anybody? Or you could stop being eliteist and reach for that bottle of Ilford or Agfa or BloggsCo or whatever... Anyways I am through ranting now. 35mm forever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camera_girl Posted April 21, 2002 Share Posted April 21, 2002 I wish the folks at Kodak would read this and get in touch with the real customers. <p> I can only compare them to GM when it comes to being out of touch. <p> Another alternative is for the people who really love photography buy up the stock, boot the board of directors and the yo-yo's who are mis-running the joint. Put people who really care about photography in control. Let the bean-counters go count somebody else's beans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_pistor Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 Hi to all, please keep my e-mail adress: m.pistor@gmx.de. When everyone else stopped making analogue films, I`m gonna buy the last machines and make a fortune selling folks like me and you the stuff they can`t get anywhere else (not cheap, of course). As long as people want it and people pay for, there will be someone who does it. Of course not the variety of different films, available now, but after all there is no witchcraft in making films. Neither is in cutting 8x10. And to be honest, I`m afraid, this way to be a millionaire won`t come during my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_michaelson Posted March 19, 2007 Share Posted March 19, 2007 It's 5 years now since the post (plus or minus), and film is still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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