Littman 45`s now from China?

Helen:

 

Yes, but you still need the use of Trigonometry to resolve the unknowns. The sum of all the angles that encircle a point is always 2pi.

 

The inaccuracies will then be attibuted to the significant value that the series to calculate the value of the angle is taken.

 

Thanks.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that.

Helen, I take your point. Most of the participants in this thread are on my "valued contributors" list. That they're so upset and making such angry noises in public is the most distressing aspect of this unseemly brawl.

 

Messers. Jones, Littman, & Schwartz, I'd appreciate it if you could find it in yourselves to remove your battles from public view. If you must hammer on each other, please do it in private.

 

At this point I don't care which of you is wrong or whether any of you is right, I just want all of you to suspend hostilities and shut up. Until then, a pox on the lot of you.

I hope that everyone can expect that what Mr Fromm sugests will not be for today , tomorrow but final.

it is difficult to see past the tree and see the forest despite the entaglement which is not easy because hostility is what is being nurtured in liew of the pertinent topics

but hostility cannot be removed from the eqation when someone would have to justify a reason for which they are able to promote products here when everyone else cant

 

 

 

 

"We did not instigate ANY of this behavior and most will agree it makes for a good laugh once in a while" " Oct 13 2003 he admited otherwise AS it was I who instigated these discussions" This person is in complete denial of his own admissions and admits to retaining the podium as a means of interference to demote my product" makes for a good laugh once in a while" once that occurs he then pulls out the swatches and starts his promotion; promotion by demotion.

 

Any business in photography could come here saying they have an issue with a competitor and then pull out the swatches. they don't because they cant no matter what the case may be. that applies to these people as well. Helen who appears to be very educated raises the issue perfectly".

On the other hand, it would be a shame to lose the contributions from helpful people because of the ravings of an unhelpful person. " when the fact is it would be shameful to loose an environment free of conflict of interest because a few are willing to rally support and engage in demotion and mockery and interference in exchange for help they value.

 

 

 

This so called help applies to any product in photography or anything else no more than in this case and Mr. Jones has managed to convince everyone that " his just cause " comes before the needs of everyone else so when every other business in the industry abides by the rules he doesn't have to. refrence to peddling would apply to anyone comming here to promote services and is not aimed at any one individual.

 

 

 

people can come here and say I make slide pages, I make tripods , I make foam core etc and it doesn't make a difference what they make if they advertise it in the threads

 

it is unfair to their competitors even if they have business issues because their issues are no more justification than anyone else's.

 

 

 

Mr. Jones said that in his opinion a patent should be respected at a time he felt he could get something out of it by doing so and come off good, the other one wrote to a client enquiring about my camera that he didn't like to hear that the price of my product was too high as a means to try to show me he was a nice guy and sent me a copy of that email to show me he was fair but when I insisted the next day that I did have patent application pending and did expect prior art submitted he moved to threaten me to stay away from him because he could use the publicity and has been insisting that my camera is garbage ever since.

 

 

 

People proven time and time again to change their opinions based on what they can get out of it cant be allowed to stand between businesses and the public admitting to unfairness as interference in the event they feel unfairly treated and allege unfair business practices.

 

How could blinding good people into taunting rallies where educated people valuing the truth are willing to support one side no matter what the case may be ?

 

The confusion doesn't stem from gibberish mentioning the use of a triangle as a means of evaluation , reference which was only made in the face of the interference as a means to expose that assurances of equality, lack of difference and findings or determinations were just another way to express the taunting.

 

When someone has huge admitted reservations challenging the standing granted to products and the accomplishments of the most talented and openly dismisses them as to demote them and does the same with the opinions of those who specialize in the evaluation of products and then proceeds to gradually alienate the standing of a competitor from the public with assurances of findings and determinations he has demoted the competition and promoted himself so these findings must be challenged.

 

 

 

When you challenge these findings you learn that lens aperture error considered as such is presented as not being a problem in a product such as Polaroid which to most is used for exposure evaluation.

 

 

 

When you challenge the determinations of parallax error you are assured there is none and several members of PN have already assured otherwise.

 

When you read that people claiming their job description ( not their hobby)would mean they would have to be knowledgeable on the subject of the performance of lenses and their differentiation you then read recently this person assured that you would not notice a difference between the performance of one over the other yet years ago he stated"dec 13, 2004 the 127mm Rodenstock exhibit a very shallow depth of field when shooting anywhere near wide open which gives poor results unless focus is bang on.I consider the later multicoated lenses with their apparent greater depth of field "

 

It is this ensuing contradiction based on what is in stock that confuses the issues coupled with the rage instilled onto others who then proceed with their own editions of taunting expecting that I should be Einstein before I can sell a camera because I do and omitting that suggested alternatives have issues which I may not confront but

 

I made Tons of cameras Like Diwans and abandoned their use due to front standard fluctuation regarding its parallel to the film plane variance at different focal lengths depending on the variance between the length of the arms of the scissor type focusing system coupled with the fact that the front standard being parallel to the film plane depends on a spring loaded tension and the variance which may exist when focusing can easily create an error in excess of the difference between the best lens and an average one coupled with the cam issue and the parallax not being able to be modified for different focal lengths and the issue of fixed infinity.

 

While someone may justify it somehow for personal use if made by himself that is miles away from taking that which is totally inefficient in every regard and use that as a means to impede and interfere with the introduction of a commercial product alleging gibberish regarding triangulation while in fact I do not sell triangulation , but I use it and while it may not be required to fiddle I was able to show that those who admit they hope to impede all my sales and or tell people not to buy my product do so as retaliation.

 

Mr. Jones keeps making assurances to users responding to questions that the cam using the 135mm lens works better than with the original lens, that would mean that you would just put the lens, do nothing and you are done. this is not the case. Mr. Jones receives a camera for repair from a client of mine who is from his country at such time Jones was keeping me busy with assurances that products were identical except for cosmetics and years earlier when I made the camera I was being diverted to respond to his assurances that no differences existed but when he received it he was puzzled as to why the right cam would work and Diwan joined in the taunting.

 

In the end it is proven that none of this is obvious yes assured to be so dismissed as such by using demotion and defamation and telling me that the confusion would stem from the fact that I use triangulation to make determinations is a joke because the guy says he is holding my product with the right configuration and cant SEE why or how it could work and Divan said the same thing , therefore claims of obviousness are bogus and that was years after patent issue. On the other hand those who claim experience and professionalism and that I am an amateur have stood by not challenging these situations because they did not know either if you are willing to go around braking windows on their behalf or support their cause all is well no matter what the case may be and that is the long and the short of it when it comes to tech issues.

 

You will find people who have insisted earlier they sold their products because they proffered to use a 100.00 speed graphic because with the conversion you would have needed 3 hands to operate it, then rally the support and go to any effort to succeed while having had expressed reservations about convenience . the result of these instigations yields a few willing to go thru any effort to succeed in order to invalidate the convenience of achieving results effortlessly and on a consistent basis.

 

And in any event The fact remains that someone benefiting financially from all this is allowed to confuse the market to his benefit is unfair to the buyers.

 

All of the demotion of the value of the opinions of the most proficient is bogus based on the fact that such person has been proven unable to make veritable determinations , shown unable to differentiate what he claims is obvious , that any child could see but he has it in front of him posts pictures showing the error and says there is none. if taunting works as a marketing strategy for the guy and a few get something fin return for taunting as well that justifies nothing is the utmost unfairness and being that such denial exists that everyone justifies it when it is being done live right here in front of everyone coupled with the ensuing lies and denials of what they have written or said then rest assured that these connivances are the reason I had to move to expose them and they will persist in denying it for all eternity because the fact is they are here to sell and as admitted they are here to sell thru use of discredit against me.

 

It is a given that when the threads are allowed to be used for solicitation it is misleading and false. recently when someone asked what would be the alternatives for 4x5 hand held use Mr. Jones popped up with his pitch as usual and then Paul Droluck did the same with the Fotman and I believed the question may have been what was an alternative to the Littman but it doesn't matter , what does is that when the Fotman was offered as an alternative Mr. Jones got cocky and replied" hey Paul where is the rangefinder because when you focus up close focus is critical etc etc which is true yet when I said that as a reason for the differentiation when I was confronting Jones years earlier he told me it was a myth.

 

I made an adapter for the graflex xl which I also found inefficient and did not produce but It is mentioned because It was tested years ago without the use of the rf and using the best lenses which is the way you would use a Footman and while The Fotoman looks newer

 

the function is identical to the camera I post which by now is but a dusty prototype and it was proven that unless you shot landscape or used apertures of f 16 or smaller the camera could not yield comparable results to ground glass work with the same lens at medium or close distance and even at F 16 the ground glass images were superior. expecting f 16 and a shutter speed for hand held use using natural light is rare .

 

At another time Mr. Droluck said That the Fotoman worked much in the same manner as the Linhoff technica? how on earth would that be possible it has no movements

 

and then one time Mr droluck asked me if I was on drugs and I wanted to r ask him if he was asking to offer me some of what he was smoking when he considered the Fotoman to work much like the Linhof.........less than 1000.00 would probably match the price tag of an older Linhof with a few lenses or any view camera with at least front movements for no more

 

Why isn't every other camera manufacturer that meets the question jumping in to plug? It creates unfairness and is misleading because it presents a false image of someone willing to be accessible and come to the mountain which is unfair to the rest . and "some" will go to great lengths to convince you that they are being accessible by doing so while the other guy is difficult and mean and ugly ogre who will eat you alive when the fact is the guy is a dedicated person finding

 

and no rangefinder and this is reminded to show the duality which is created when Jones dismisses technical differentiation with me because it doesn't further his cause but brings it up with an attitude when confronting Mr. Droluck because he comes of good.

 

Ladies and gentlemen conflict of interest is at the heart of the creative process, creativity is a struggle between interests one has and the willingness to select one over the other depends on how honest you are willing to be to yourself as opposed to being affected by the opinions of others and considering them and including them.

 

Whatever issues exist between these people and Myself is no excuse for them to resort to solicitation or solicitation disguised as help because it doesn't help anyone and the few who feel it does and don't mind are reminded it is not up to them, this can not be based on the popularity of the decision when such arrangement is upheld by the fear it will be perceived as unpopular.

 

It is not my website I am not the boss but I say that it doesn't matter whether someone may have a valid point on a given issue because nobody could debate the same would apply to any business.

 

I feel there is nothing that justifies businesses bringing their grievances as if they were not businesses because that has been used as solicitation and there is nothing that justifies help as an excuse to solicitation because it has been proven people will help themselves to what they are not entitled to

 

There is no secrecy that I intend to uphold my patents and how these people feel about that but their original presentation of their so called grievance was proven misleading and malicious and defamatory and not justified because instead of working to submit evidence as required they engaged in connivances to then make me appear as the saboteur and lied and still do. they are selling something and their grievances did not belong in the forums because as Jones threatened me that he would do so and leave it up to the public is in itself solicitation and as soon as he discredited me he told you all that the value of my words was words only and he set up shop.

 

The other one did the same threatened me that he could use the publicity and while no resolution was reached on any issue he proceeded to discuss sales and how to interfere with my business. all of it was solicitation and I consider it to be extortion and blackmail and unfair business practice which has remained unchanged.

 

 

 

My mistake was to loose site of the fact that the original question was solicitation itself because it was made by business for business purposes , the strategy has not changed and it wont and I say that someone unwilling to expose the truths about his own product and disguise them even after they have been determined otherwise and at all cost has a lot of nerve assuming the role of exposing my product as... Now from china? all of these threads are nothing but hipocrecy, I doubt that can be considered as help.

 

IF Mr Jones has set these threads as an admitted means of leverage it would be unreasonable to expect hostilities to cease because the threads are intended to further them

 

It is unfair to the rest of the members to ask them yet again to take sides once more by asking them to decide whether this type of situation should persist and clearly those who resort to them have no reservation as to engage in them and will feel deprived unfairly when the truth is they ambushed a podium which is questinable and the website may find itself at odds due to allegiances on a situation which was allowed for too long. the self regulation propsed by Jones didnt work and I dont make decisions arround here.

 

 

 

I hope all photo forums in this website and others will be entirelly free from buisness and conflict of interest. this is a great website with most members focusing on creativity and creative issues and great pictures

 

I announced that i would abstain from posting in the threads and have done so . I appologize for my part even though I didnt start the thread It has always been my inetntion to keep solicitation out of PN and I hope the others can do the same on an unconditional manner

 

thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>Triangulation is 2200 years old but quadrangulation is novel. thank you.

 

Bwaaaaaaahahahaha! Boy, no history of math either. Do you always make up things as you go

along?

I am sorry but I am gone so please do not address me so I have to respond.

The age of 2200 years was specified by someone else and I quoted that , it is irrelevant, it is old enough .

Mr. Fromm's wish was also addressed to Mr. Jones &Co telling them to shut up but he responds with yet another joke / shows no remorse .

It is impossible to resolve differences when you are assured there are none even after proven.

 

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Mr. Fromm wishes for peace and quiet and everyone deserves it.

 

All best W

All you need to know about Quadrangulation is right here:

http://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~cs507/projects/1998/rachelp/

 

As you will see, it is of GREAT importance to all LF photographers.

This is absolutely sick!

 

Did anyone fail to notice that Jones offered the following as an apology?

"Dean Jones jun 11, 2006; 03:03 a.m.

Apologies guys, I only started this thread to make public the fact that Littman`s were available from China, at a much reduced cost, especially pertinent now Mr L has finally gone......." which proves that he started the thread to cause harm ., silence the facts.

 

 

 

On August 30th 2005 Mr. Jones went to announce on a thread that I was about to be reprimanded by PN using words that indicated he knew beforehand what the owner of the site would say.

 

On a different note a student insisting he wanted to copy a littman after visiting my site received instructions and inducement and encouragement/ assurance to proceed on this website by Jones and co. and when we introduced our patent pending designs to the new finishes to our product at the NY photo expo plus which this student attended and examined our new product this student moved to steal the thunder in connivance with Jones and Co. by posting a camera he said to have made for himself copying our designs and " may" have patent, design patent and copyright considerations but this last week he went on to post an identical camera for sale which he claims is a second one on this website for sale again at a time when we had an offer for our own product . having to deal with the Chinese spoof or the knockoff by the Chinese student in NY while it is clear that whoever started the fake auction is related to these people or is one of them. In any event this website is allowing its members to violate my IP , allowing solicitation and allowing businesses to interfere with our work schedule .

 

When it is clear that Jones is using the site for solicitation to sell products and everyone is tired of the taunting .I do not need to speculate nor care why this website chooses to allow this individual the solicitation , moves to edit any posts which prove his intention to cause harm,

 

 

He went on to tell everyone in PN how they should think on October 13th 2003" The input provided by William Littman in this matter is much appreciated, but at the same time, such input must be considered as words only Dean Jones" on every subsequent thread he has either said my contribution is so far of no value and has nullified and suppressed the words of everyone who has tried both products famous or novice alike. in the end he boasts to have accomplished his goal when everyone who disagrees with him has been silenced. congratulations to the preserver of freedom of expression and making sure conflict of interest is not in your way. Silence the facts. treat everything as a joke and proceed to promote yourself as the purveyor of instruction for sale insisting you are a intellectual property fee zone but the instructions you obtained via taunting when you were holding products you admitted couldn't understand why or how they would work, such instructions are your own ideas and therefore are copyrighted ? but be sure to remember that anyone considering the products are different has erratic personalities or is a fruitcake.

 

 

Please have some decency and stop taunting like a 2 year old! and take the spam with you.

 

It is not my fault if people keep making assumptions having to do with trigonometry.

First they said a rangefinder using triangulation would make you dizzy and not to buy it,

No rangefinder exists without triangulation being present.

I repeat a rangefinder beam forms a triangle as a means to determine distance in itself while most people expect triangulation to be used as in maps were 2 points of reference may be considered in relationship to actual position to determine linear distance.

 

In a rangefinder those 2 points of reference are determined artificially by mirrors within the camera apparatus and distance determination is a result of the utilization of the rangefinder once operational and not the subject I refer to as clearly specified when I stated that while a triangle may be used to measure distance and a LF photographer is not expected to be interested in that or how the chip on his Minolta meter measures exposure but certain it contributes to his photography but he does expect that those who spam his email folder with assurances of experience and bully everyone who disagrees into silence would be capable of determination and seeing differentiations claimed as dismissible. diferentiation is what is expected in order to determine the value of a product.These people use PN to discredit the value of my product and my work while admitting to keep me busy to prevent me from working.

 

I explained clearly that my additional work with angles had to do with the fact that in a rangefinder the angles of the triangle formed by 1) subject 2) see thru mirror 3) follower mirror cannot be altered . but the angles of the mirrors which delimit 2 of the corners of such triangle can have an effect on the pitch and behavior of the beam.

 

I am speaking of angles outside of what you consider the classical quadrangulation and not intended to be used in the measurement of distance but as to affect the behavior of the projected beam. there is an additional angle which comes into play which I have successfully used to refine the beam.

 

As stated by someone earlier the use of a triangulation to determine position or distance is old, no photographer need know it exists when using a rangefinder but it is at work .

 

This person and the others have diverted me from my work and the time which belongs to my paying clients when insisting there are no differences. the differences were proven by their own admissions.

 

They taunt me to disclose tech data and then say its their own idea? not going to play that game any longer. If the triangulation were not present you would not have a rangefinder. but I am not referring to the measurement of distance but to something else. I can live with these people saying that what I have used and proven is gibberish because I have proven that the most elemental photography knowledge is gibberish to them both in their words and found present in equal manner in structures examined and in our possession.

 

I read that " people who come to America should sing the American Anthem in English" I agree. I do .but my English could use some help . I am a photographer and perhaps not the first artist who became interested in science and ideas while not being a mathematician I remind all that I can and have proven the differences in layman photographic terms . whatever improvement may result beyond standard expectancies is not something I need to justify to anyone on this matter because my product exceeded the performance of theirs on the very first model and no angles need be involved in demonstrating that which has been proven in layman's terms.

 

Photography is an universal language many greats have never spken or written a single word of english.

 

If my use the word quadrangulation is not the right word then I remind all I'm not a mathematician . perhaps I should call it angulations interrelationship between a triangle and a fourth angle or the perfect term will be found when time permits.but in any event if the quadra issue would be clarified then they move to say my camera is made art the expense of the suffering of some poor animalwhen the coverings are synthetic or discredit the name so Whatever!

 

 

The triangulation as a means to measure distance and other standard trigonometry considerations is ancient but my use is aimed at something different altogether and true it should not be of interest to Large format photographers unless it is misrepresented by my opponents as a means to deflect attention to the basics as it is shown below.

 

 

 

 

TECHNICAL ISSUES

 

 

Jones recommended installing a lens in shutter with wrong scale with +/- 1/2 stop error on a camera intended for exposure evaluation and saying that is favorable

http://www.photo.net/bboard/uploaded-file?bboard_upload_id=28471484

 

when confronted with the facts to remove any confusion he responded with" There is no problem like no problem"

Dean Jones , feb 26, 2006; 11:39 p.m.

Well Mr Littman, forget phony formulas and angulations... cold facts are that in this case the pics speak for themselves. Obviously the reason there is NO PROBLEM is easily explained by the fact that there is no problem. Consequently I suffer absolutely NO exposure discrepancy when replacing the 127mm f4.7 with the 150mm f5.6 APO Symmar. The Prontor also features a greater number of aperture leaves, giving a more favourable result. A more important consideration is an accurate shutter speed. Yet another incoherent misconception on your part. It is indeed, sad"

 

when I posted a picture using a caliper on the printout to show the error he questioned the quality of my picture? most people would have noticed the error in the images and anyone claiming to give instruction and question the work of others would not have even dared such error much less recommend it, defend it and then persist as if a standup punch balloon. the picture will apear at the bottom of this post.

 

I have spent months years arguing with this person on the subject of cams which he first said nothing would be required, it was a myth/ smoke and mirrors . when it was proven otherwise including when he held mine and admitted to not being able to tell the difference or how it would work so I posted a picture of the 2 cams which have an entirely different profile

 

 

http://www.photo.net/bboard/big-image?bboard_upload_id=28480884

 

again attempt was made to deflect the facts by pointing out to the quality of the image by saying/ asking " where does this guy find the time to take pictures of my shutters? and the answer is my picture looks like it was teken from rthe cassini space probe and is a picture of a printout of his using a caliper to show the differences because the picture he took himself which is obviously different he cant see a damn thing. like I have time and money to spend on taking pictures of cams apertures or anything else because he discredits my research.it is absoulutely sick.

 

Then I showed a cam with an expected surface needing to be smooth in all cases opposed to the cam he had installed on Aggies camera which was so rough and bumpy that had grinded the tip of the follower mirror. and could never work.

 

 

http://www.photo.net/bboard/uploaded-file?bboard_upload_id=28480984

 

Many here on PN have admitted the parallax correction on the 127mm lens is not true on his or any which do not include his modifications

"michael schmid , feb 06, 2006; 03:53 p.m.

hello,

"recently i built myself a 4x5" camera on the basis of the polaroid 110b(like dean johnes's or l*mtan's)"," when you cnahnge the format of the camera to 4x5 from 3x4 during the conversion, the actual picture on the film is always bigger than the lines in the viewfinder"

 

 

Jones denies it so I will obtain all the cameras he sold to the US and verify he is lying and if that is not the case I will surely apologize but I am certain he is lying.

 

On his latest auction he insisted the Ysarex on his auction did not come with any pancake design when everyone knew it IS a pancake design.

 

Instead of facing the facts and shutting up he responded

"Dean Jones , feb 27, 2006; 06:57 p.m.

I think he`s gone folks......................"

 

. seriously it is one contradiction after the other first he says lenses are clearly different to him

"Dean Jones , dec 13, 2004; 03:38 p.m.

I consider the later multicoated lenses are far more forgiving with their apparent greater depth of field at larger apertures. Cheers, Dean."

 

 

then Jones at later date when he has no modern lenses in stock says:

"Dean Jones , feb 09, 2006; 03:56 p.m.Despite the later lens being more advanced, I doubt you`ll see any improvement in quality over the original Rodenstock 127mm!"

 

 

"Dean Jones , feb 09, 2006; 03:56 p.m.

" Aperture scale will now commence from f5.6 instead of f4.7. The beauty of doing this is that the shutter button will still operate without manufacturing some kind of link from the shutter release button to the Copal`s release arm."

The beauty of using a Polaroid camera which yields the wrong exposure? . aperture does not commence from 5.6 either.

http://www.photo.net/bboard/uploaded-file?bboard_upload_id=28471484

 

When Mr. Jones first made a conversion it could not shoot Polaroid films so in his auctions and on his site for years he represented"

After much thought and with several attempts, I have perfected the conversion of the early Polaroids to use a film that is still available. These fine cameras, (pictured is a model 110 from the early 50`s) are extremely well made, feature excellent shutters and fine lenses, however suffered from the usual Polaroid type film, that is a pull apart develop before your eyes, expensive and messy film that became unavailable around the early nineties. Such a fine camera is once again in use due to my conversion,"

 

All are reminded that the name Polaroid associated with these cameras because they made them at a loss in order to support their films

 

 

"suffered from the usual Polaroid type film, that is a pull apart develop before your eyes, expensive and messy film that became unavailable around the early nineties. Such a fine camera is once again in use due to my conversion,Dean Jones "

 

The films used today are still peel apart , before discontinuing the roll film Polaroid assigned the pack film conversion to 4 designs to assure continuity so it is false that films were no longer available and their properties remain unchanged. not to mention that when he claimed to have" perfected" which translated into a spring patio door closer at the end of the camera my product had been in the market for years.

 

Interestingly enough after Michael Shmid time was wasted for months with bogus assurances and instructions he now realizes that one of his favorite films is gone

what is of value to LF photographers is that people dont waste ther F.time and take away their choices with bogus and false assurances and their choices of products taken away by unscrupulous defamation.

 

 

 

 

Michael has moved to make a petition to bring the film back

http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00Gq88&tag=

 

Keep businesses out of the forums is of great interest to large format photographers That way they can have a chance at the truth and a little peace and quiet.the others also move to trash the quality of Polaroid films and then blame Polaroid for having to discontinue them.

 

"Dean Jones , jun 05, 2006; 06:36 p.m.

Perhaps the camera would be better off manufactured in China? At least they don`t attempt to disguise the facts with rhetoric". The only ones disguising the facts as an excuse to promote products are my opponents because my position is first that no business should be here in the first place and second because in the face of huge and ensuing adversity I have moved to clarify the facts and faced further adversity as a result. give me a break!

 

"All you needed to know " you did not . still dont so please find a little decency and stop polluting the forums and peoples in boxes with your spam and solicitation via defamation and demotion and interfereing with refferences of what is of value based on differentiation because you are not entitled to when it is clear you cant tell the difference..

 

I made myself available at a huge expense for years to try to confront the tech issues and everything else proved everything that was questioned . What is of value to LF photographers is that people do not wast their time. please stop.

Mr. Littman, I thought your camera was a pretty neat idea, and due to your lens/cam offerings, had been saving money up towards a purchase. In the meanwhile you've become a circus of this forum, and while you are correct that you're being teased, it's not as if in your hypersensitivity you haven't been asking for it. I can't be bothered to read any more of your rambling as it makes my head swim, but I can say for certain that I won't be purchasing any cameras from you -- if this's how you deal with criticism, I can't imagine how you'd deal with a frustrating repair issue.

 

For your own sake sir, please switch to decaff. You'll be better for it.

A 'Quadrangle' was someting I stood in at school.......obviously 'Quadrangulation' was something I should have thought about whilst standing there.

"Dean Jones , jun 13, 2006; 11:49 p.m.

A 'Quadrangle' was someting I stood in at school.......obviously 'Quadrangulation' was something I should have thought about whilst standing there."

 

Something you should have thought about whilst standing here is that you have used Photo.net to admittedly create dissent thru justifications which by now have been proven false as a means to promote products and services after which you seem to be the one who must be obeyed when you wrote"

 

"Dean Jones , oct 13, 2003; 06:05 a.m.

As it was I who instigated this discussion, I feel that I should have a word in closure."

( You always feel like you should have the last word).

"It is my opinion that a Patent should be respected. "

( if you cant respect your own opinion don't expect others to respect it either and after turning this website into a magnet for antagonism by disrespecting your own opinion you can feel that you should have the last word but it isn't merited)that is why all you can do is tell jokes, sad jokes.

 

"The input provided by William Littman in this matter is much appreciated, but at the same time, such input must be considered as words only".

 

( great marketing ; tell everyone to respect someone else's rights because it is YOUR opinion while of course completely invalidate and silence mine )

 

Claiming self regulation he decreed to start more threads to create dissent

 

" would be met with disdain and result in appropriate action through this medium arising once again. It is for this reason that such a posting has such an active role in self regulation. My thanks to all and cheers!Dean Jones".

 

 

Self regulation ??????????

 

The other day Mr. Jones said "We did not instigate ANY of this behavior and most will agree it makes for a good laugh once in a while.". hypersensitive ?

some have no sensitivity whatsoever after insisting that posts have a role in self regulation as a trick to instigate some more every time he feels like it.

 

I felt it was the right level of sensitivity to have had to confront the tech issues in terms which were photographic for years but most insensitive that such was met with words such as OGRE and so many others , jokes discredit and orders that I should say something of value or leave.And regarding repair what comes to mind is that when Jones held my camera in his hand he had to resort to yet another taunting rally on photo.net to get me to provide him with instructions on how to fix it because he admitted he had no clue.Regarding my work; it takes time. such time belongs to my clients and any justification to have diverted any time to responding to assurances which were false and proven so was because I was impeded from selling my product.when dealing with repair I wouldnd need to taunt these clowns to get instructions but I do need the time to do the work.

 

Some have no sensitivity and others have to overcompensate . Ce la vie!

 

I gave the tin camera a heart and its more sensitive but the tin men cant tell the difference for obvious reasons and have to tell jokes instead , the joke's on them and decent people are not laughing with them but at them.

By the way, Mr. Alpert, G-d forbid that you, or anyone else, should ever have an Albatross

like this tied around their neck !<p>I just noticed that this post is going into a category

called, "Large Format photography, Space Cadets."<P>Now, I'm immortalized as a Space

Cadet...<p>So basically, if you Google. "Space Cadets", you get me.<p>Life just keeps

getting better and better.

"Noah Schwartz , aug 25, 2005; 04:46 p.m.

The first Polaroid 110 camera I saw 'converted' to 4x5 was brought in to Marty Forscher's when I worked there about 25 years ago"

 

You cant claim an idea as yours after saying someone else made it first, stop the flip /flop . if you insist that you have made something for 25 years and there is nothing to show for and threaten someone asking for prior art that they better say away from you because " You Can SURE use the publicity, that is extortion and blackmail and might be a form of obstruction of..... The emphasis is on "SURE" why would someone claiming to have come from a qualified background need to discredit someone else in order to obtain publicity. We all know the answer to that .

 

these threads admitted as enticements for solicitation did not start last week but 3 years ago. the grievance alleged is itself solicitation and as explained earlier any business is entitled to the same exposure but none are allowed.

 

The fortune anyone is entitled to should arrive from the fruits of their efforts and not by using banana peels and lies to make others trip. Mr. Fromm whom I don't know and have never communicated with said it quite well. It doesn't matter who is right on any given issue. and I say whatever the case may be businesses should not be allowed to instigate dissent as a means to solicitation no matter what the case may be.

 

when someone joined the slugfest asking "

"Noah Schwartz , jun 05, 2006; 11:13 a.m.

What would be involved in having all Littman listings removed from ebay on the basis that the claims of it being a 'new' camera are false ?"

 

that again shows the intention behind their actions, he joined Photo.net to fulfill threats he made against me, and again it is a lie because I note that it is used but a new issue of a modification rather than one which has been used as such for years.

 

Please stop betraying peoples trust and grant them some peace and quiet.

Absolutely disgusting....Boy how low can you go; now we are down to religion....

 

Not only am I Jewish , both Littman and Littman are Jewish names. what is real is that when I was but a small boy Ben Gurion was having tea at My house and while signing a silver bible he told me a story of how My mother had joined Golda Meir and Eleanor Roosevelt in events around Manhattan to raise bonds for the formation of the state of Israel. He said that My parents really helped. My mother was presiding WIZO.

 

The capture of Adolph Eichman was orchestrated at my house by Golda Meir who met with the ambassadors of all the courtiers where the plane carrying Eichmann to his trial was to land for refueling because in those days they only had prop planes. Interesting that after the plane left Buenos Aires; the next day 1000.000.000 took to the streets to protest his capture as being a civil liberties violation and most unfair. a few years after that My parents 5 story hardware store was burned to the ground, they thought it was an easy target.and the house where that meeting took place was buldozered and leveled.

 

While my grandfather was a photographer for Evita Peron many years before that The family had rented a condominium building my parents owned worth more than 10.000.000 they of course never paid a dime of rent and one day her mother who handled the bribery money just so that rich people were allowed to stay free showed up with a lawyer and had my father sign over the deed to the building, months after that when they confiscated all of my dads businesses and sold then to their friends they sent the money to Switzerland instead of giving it to the poor as they claimed. the money was used to buy a residence outside Madrid Called Puerta de hierro ( IRON GATE).

 

After they confiscated my dads businesses they thought he was an easy target and a JEW and Peron had received the gold from the German submarine in exchange for letting the Nazis hide in Argentina so they put my dad in Jail. they thought he was an easy target.

 

Years after that when he returned to Argentina and the streets filled with terrorists and leftists guerrillas they tried to kidnap me to ask my dad for random and they thought I was an easy target but I smashed the guys hand with the car door and escaped. I had to exile to Spain for a year and one day on a taxi ride the cab got lost and I got to see the mansion that was bought with my money.

 

20 years ago on a train ride from Munich to Milan on an editorial assignment I was forced of the train on the Austrian border by a guard using religious slurs on a night which was 20 below farenheight and almost died from hypothermia in the desolate station, he thought I was an easy target.

 

this is only about 10 % of what I have experienced first hand but you don't go around life with a chip on your shoulder using membership to a religion as a justification for everything that happens to you.

 

Find a shrink and go away everyone has had to face adversity but not everyone needs to use that as a business card. publicity may cost a small fortune but I did not have to spend a dime when my product was recognized but had to spend a fortune after the threads because these guys would rather find an easy target than have an expense.

 

I'm not pleading here. its the rule no soliciting no matter what religion you are from. despite all of that I felt that the teachings of Jesus were phenomenal and he was a Jew anyway so when I had to do the military service in my country I was allowed to attend law school 1/2 day after the basic training and had a chance to learn some great things, I have studied many religions and find greatness in all of them and fail to see how someone could use religious considerations for marketing a product.

 

Please go moan somewhere else, life is not a fairytale welcome to reality. with that said we don't need your religious fear mongering, spam or the lies . If you don't like people using discrimination against you and find that unfair perhaps you should consider that not stopping the discredit of others to promote yourself using lies might bring bad Karma .

 

I didn't need you to dump your paranoia and present it as if it were mine. you told everyone in Photo. net that I would brake into their email folders and years after you admitted that you said that in order to get me to sue you? You are insane. that is a federal crime to endanger an individual with that type of accusation not to mention the fact that I had little or no internet business for almost a year. do yourself a favor and shut up whatever religion you are from is reminded that I dont judge it based on the behaviour of this individual and I invite everyone to do the same.

 

 

<p>It is time for this thread to end. As one of the moderators, I am posting that <b>there should be no more posts to this thread</b>. Any further posts will be deleted.</p>